What does Macron think will happen to fishing rights if there's no deal?

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I'm a bit puzzled about this. Macron is marching round like the little Jupiter he is, grandstanding for his home audience, who he hopes will re-elect him in 2022.

Fishing rights play well for him. But, er, what will happen to fishing rights if he manages to precipitate No Deal by vetoing a deal?

The fishing industry is worth 0.06% of income. Same as the British sex toy industry- who cars what’s happening to fishing.

Comparatively speaking it is worth very little on the grand scheme of things to France as well but its already depressed northern port towns will feel the loss of this industry very keenly....a bit like the port towns in the UK as well. It is also wrapped up in the issue of sovereignty, not much use claiming to be an independent state when you don't even control access to your waters, something that every other coastal nation takes for granted. There will be a deal on fish, but Frances initial demands of indefinate continued access to what will become UK waters at current rates is just as absurd as Brexiteers demanding full access to the single market without the obligations.

Bamboo....your remark was callous.
people in the coastal towns care a lot about fishing. You might not care about their livelihoods, but they do and so do I.

But what if British one time fishermen don't want to buy back their boats? I could see no one catching the fish, which although an unlooked for result, would at least help fish stocks recover.

The banning of super trawlers and factory ships would be a good start with regards to managing fish stocks and wages. The CFP was an environmental disaster, a return to smaller fleets and more sustainable fishing methods can only be a good thing. Fishing used to be a well paid, if very hard, job. With better management I can't see why coastal communities cant thrive.

@yellowspanner

Bamboo....your remark was callous. people in the coastal towns care a lot about fishing. You might not care about their livelihoods, but they do and so do I.

But they cared more about Brexit clearly.

And now they have what they wanted, and it's up to them to make a success of it.

Posts are so contemptuous!

The majority of Eastern European's I know are really disturbed about the authoritarian nature of eu. One is very pro eu but left Poland for Sweden over 20 years ago and identifies as Swedish.

I'm not offering pity to anyone but recognising that the nations of the Eu are very varied in history and culture and that the perspective and values of the German/French centric power base are at odds with some of the other nations.

Poland has one of the highest rates of support for the EU , over 80%

The banning of super trawlers and factory ships would be a good start with regards to managing fish stocks and wages. The CFP was an environmental disaster, a return to smaller fleets and more sustainable fishing methods can only be a good thing. Fishing used to be a well paid, if very hard, job. With better management I can't see why coastal communities cant thrive

Not enough fish for that.
Even smaller trawlers wreck the seabed & "better management" means less fishing not more.
UK waters account for 700k tonnes out of 6 million tonnes of fish caught from the EU.
We need to reduce that 700k tonnes and reach conservation agreements with other eu/eaa countries or what the UK will do will not matter.

jasjas1973 - that's not the point at all. We want to reduce the % of catch from EU boats with these factory ships coming from the likes of the Netherlands and Denmark a ban on them would make a massive difference. The vast majority of fish caught in UK waters are caught by EU boats so to reduce their ability to do so reduces the pressure on fish stocks. We are not suddenly going to increase our fleet to enable us to catch all the fish previously so there would automatically be a reduction in catch. Going by the way the Government has changed the subsidy rules for farmers I would think they would do the same to ensure the conservation of fish stocks and the conservation of the sea bed and reduce the quotas which would still be more than enough for the UK fleet even if it were to increase.

@Corcory

Fine in theory but what happens when these boats attempt to make good losses by fishing more outside of uk waters? (fish move about) or the boats are re- registered in the UK ?

Without enforced international agreements, we can never conserve fish stocks.

Without enforced international agreements, we can never conserve fish stocks.

But conserving fish stock strikes at the heart of capitalism, which involves making as much money now, and then retiring.

If you want an ideology that respects the future, you wouldn't chose capitalism which has never done our environment any favours.

A lot of people seem to have a very distorted view of where UK boats will be allowed to fish after Brexit.
Rather good map here
www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/fish-don-t-do-borders-life-on-the-irish-sea-after-a-hard-brexit-1.3729032

A very interesting point Rosetti - however I don't think any political system is best placed to govern sustainability and how environmental resources translate into monetary ones. Which they do under any political system.

What a very interesting point and one that should be explored more. Meanwhile, I do think that those Countries/People most involved in Open Sea Fishing are best placed to negotiate the most sustainable ways to Fish them.

In this case a System of Govt that includes a majority of countries not involved in Open Sea Fishing (eg: the EU) does not have the same understanding that other Countries do (eg: Norway, UK, Canada, Ireland, Iceland, Portugal).

jasjas1973 Yes fish move but they can't be fished in a lot of EU waters, that's why the French come to our waters to fish most of the cod. Our waters are the best place to catch so many species. They are the right size, they are in season, they're not breeding so can be caught. That not the case in loads of other areas.

@Corcory

jasjas1973 Yes fish move but they can't be fished in a lot of EU waters, that's why the French come to our waters to fish most of the cod. Our waters are the best place to catch so many species. They are the right size, they are in season, they're not breeding so can be caught. That not the case in loads of other areas.

Odd then that most of the Cod sold in the UK is Icelandic and Norwegian as the UK destroyed its Cod fishery 40 years ago and the French do not eat much cod ....

why the focus on the French?

look at the map in the link ?
Ireland
Denmark
Sweden
Germany
Belgium

oh, but Brexiters never quite 'got' geography - as amply demonstrated by Raab [hmmm]

Rossetti, you obviously haven't read the UK's replacement for the CAP farm subsidies then!

@Corcory

Rossetti, you obviously haven't read the UK's replacement for the CAP farm subsidies then!

Link please as I was not aware that any scheme was UK wide

Listening - over 80% of the Cod caught in the English channel is caught by French boats. Go figure.
The farming subsidies have been EU wide for years Rossetti! We are replacing that with a completely sustainable model that reflects the needs of the planet going forward not capitalism! I also forgot to mention the new fisheries bill which just went through parliament majoring on sustainability. By the way did you know that a 5th of the entire English fishing quota is caught by one Dutch super trawler- no more.

Listening - farming subsidies are not decided by the devolved governments but are administered by them - ask any Scottish farmer who is still waiting for last years subsidy!

Why exactly is one fifth of England's fishing catch caught by one Dutch trawler? Anything to do with UK owners selling out to them? If so why?

Listening - over 80% of the Cod caught in the English channel is caught by French boats. Go figure.
Tonnage please
because Cod moved north out of the Channel years ago

farming subsidies are not decided by the devolved governments but are administered by them - ask any Scottish farmer who is still waiting for last years subsidy!
EU ones were
but the new post Brexit ones are devolved
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