What does Macron think will happen to fishing rights if there's no deal?

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I'm a bit puzzled about this. Macron is marching round like the little Jupiter he is, grandstanding for his home audience, who he hopes will re-elect him in 2022.

Fishing rights play well for him. But, er, what will happen to fishing rights if he manages to precipitate No Deal by vetoing a deal?

Oops forgot the quote:

We are increasing defence spending, maybe we will buy some new boats for the Navy.

Surely Leave voters should be celebrating Macron as a hero of Brexit if he vetos any (none existent) deal. No deal, no problem, WTO let's go!

@KenDodd

Surely Leave voters should be celebrating Macron as a hero of Brexit if he vetos any (none existent) deal. No deal, no problem, WTO let's go!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54069456

'Festival of Brexit' can play 'powerful role' in healing UK, organiser says

Navy Aircraft carriers
with no aircraft
Navy ships with more admirals than crew
ha ha

grandstanding for his home audience

His home audience has zero interest in Brexit. The bad cop routine is strictly for British consumption (and to defend French interests).

If there is no deal then French fishing boats will have no access to UK waters. I am a Brexiteer and am happy with no deal. I will also be happy with a deal now we have a sensible immigration policy and we are free of the ECJ.
If we trade on WTO terms that's fine
And before you all accuse me of racism..ask yourself how you know what race I am.

It's really good fun watching the bitter little Brexiters flail see that and all of the references to thick/racist northerners pretty much epitomises how the remain campaign failed to appeal to people and misjudged things so badly.

I honestly feel really sad reading the way some of the posters on here look down on people and assume to know the motives and reasoning of over half of the referendum voters. It also makes me understand better the north/south divide which I thought was being laid to rest but reading this I can see that actually the north had plenty of reason to think southerners are arrogant and forget the country extends beyond watford gap service station.

If there is no deal then French fishing boats will have no access to UK waters

And U.K. fishing boats will have no access to the market where they sell most of their catch.

It's a lose-lose game with people's livelihoods. Why do you have such a hard-on for putting people out of work?

God there are some rude aggressive answers on here. I can’t believe someone even told the op to naff off. It is a valid question, if you don’t know ask. Really there is no reason to be so rude.

@TheHoneyBadger as a remain voting northerner I call bullshit. If you voted Leave because of the very obvious North/South divide, you picked the wrong hill to fight on.
Northerners can read. Northerners can see how fucking harmful this would be. Northerners can still be passed off at the North South divide which Covid-19 has thrown into sharp relief. And shown exactly how much of a shit the Leave voting hone counties give for you.

Of course my magnificent typos/autocorrects are an extra.

If there's no real, French fishermen can't fish in our waters and British fishermen can't sell their fish to the EU (most fish from British waters are exported to the EU) so French and British fishermen are screwed.

Currently half of our quota has been sold to foreign trawlers
www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

@Bluntness100

God there are some rude aggressive answers on here. I can’t believe someone even told the op to naff off. It is a valid question, if you don’t know ask. Really there is no reason to be so rude.

Obviously not the point, but is naff off a much more offensive team than I previously thought? I always thought it was one of those words people used in place of an actual swear word?

I take it you missed all of the 'racist northerners' posts. I'm not a northerner by the way just find the attitudes on here offensive. Not sure you can 'call bullshit' on my distaste at how people are discussing and referring to others on this thread.

There's another thread around with someone wishing poverty and suffering upon leave voters. It's all incredibly saddening imo. You can disagree obviously. I personally can't see driving further divisions as a good thing.

People shouldn't cause divisions if they don't want others to complain about them.
It will be a long time before I forgive or forget what is being done to our country.

God there are some rude aggressive answers on here. I can’t believe someone even told the op to naff off. It is a valid question, if you don’t know ask. Really there is no reason to be so rude.
Totally agree, but would add it's not about being sensitive or offended, it's about being credible. Why would anyone value the judgement of someone who expresses themselves like that?

Agree it must be ringing massive alarm bells in eastern countries.

The citizens of those countries are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves and of knowing what they have left behind and what they now have, without being all starry-eyed about any of it.

I think you'll find they have other, more insistent alarm bells ringing, especially as they may well be watching events in Ukraine, Belarus, etc. more closely than the average UK subject, and don't need the latter's pity.

As for Macron, he knows how the UK MSM will portray him or any other French politician, no matter what they do (cf the way the unfailingly calm and courteous Barnier is treated) and is to a certain extent happy to play the fall guy if he thinks it's worth it. He also knows that ultimately he is part of a bloc that will collectively help/support those affected by Brexit, while the UK will be swithering over whether to spend its cash on bailing out fishermen, buying countless Navy patrol boats, finishing HS2, a spot more chumocracy or trying to support its population in the face of rising food prices and sustained job losses.

(Actually, scrap that last bit, the current UK gvmt thinks those aren't its responsibility but are part and parcel of a wonderful opportunity called sovereignty.)

Who cares really, with due respect to the fishermen who have to export to the dreaded EU since British don't like to eat their catch. Honestly you could not make this sht up.

Macron is who he is, same as the British side. It's a bit of pantomime.

On a good note, it seems like there will be a Trade Deal agreed soon. That's good and the alternative was far too ridiculous.

UK will always try to be top dog. But not for much longer.

No doubt some concessions will be made to the French fishing industry. I voted Leave and I accept that.
However I hope that this govt will protect our seas from the monstrous Dutch trawlers that slaughter everything in their wake, including intelligent creatures like dolphins and seals.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/supertrawlers-brexit-dolphins-fish-coast-channel-b1770356.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/supertrawlers-brexit-dolphins-fish-coast-channel-b1770356.html

Sorry for posting the link twice.
I feel strongly about dolphins!

No deal would mean UK and international law. They would have no access to our waters, we would have no access to their. Yes, our fisherman can and do legally fish in non UK waters.

Wickedships all trawlers, regardless of nationality, are super destructive. Bycatch is the biggest cause of mortality in many porpoise and dolphin species. Seals less so. I've certainly seen UK boats land cetaceans.

The fishing industry is worth 0.06% of income. Same as the British sex toy industry- who cars what’s happening to fishing.

@Bamboo15

The fishing industry is worth 0.06% of income. Same as the British sex toy industry- who cars what’s happening to fishing.

But it's great fodder for Brexiteers and the right wing media. That's it. it's sole purpose for Boris is to drum up a feeling of plucky little Blighty standing up to the EU. Sovereignty over our waters.

The fact that it's all image and no substance is immaterial.

But what if British one time fishermen don't want to buy back their boats? I could see no one catching the fish, which although an unlooked for result, would at least help fish stocks recover.