What does Macron think will happen to fishing rights if there's no deal?

[YoureNotOnTheList]

I'm a bit puzzled about this. Macron is marching round like the little Jupiter he is, grandstanding for his home audience, who he hopes will re-elect him in 2022.

Fishing rights play well for him. But, er, what will happen to fishing rights if he manages to precipitate No Deal by vetoing a deal?

The EU's Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) sets quotas among EU member states, and similar deals are negotiated with neighbouring countries.

This will no longer apply firstly.

Secondly

One of the priorities of the Fisheries Act, which became law on 24 November, is that "fishing activities of UK fishing boats bring social or economic benefits to the United Kingdom".

Current rules say even if vessels are 100% foreign-owned, they must have an "economic link" to the UK. That means they must meet one of five conditions, which include landing more than half their catch at UK ports or having majority British crews.

A consultation by the Department for Environment and Rural Affairs (Defra), which closed in November, outlined plans to "increase the landing requirements from 50% to 70% for quota catch caught by English registered vessels landing more than 2 tonnes per annum".

The consultation stated that this change "could result in up to £60m worth of additional landings each year", but it did not mention any changes to rules around ownership.

Given the UK will be in charge of quotas,from January - who knows miss if in the case of no deal the UK may decide the fishing fleets need to be 100% British, landing only in the UK manned by British crews.

Of course that is possible.

You are asking an impossible question, I am sure there is a plan but we are not privvy to it.

In the case of no deal all bets are off the table in every way. Which is why so many hardliners are keen for a 'clean' brexit!

@MissEliza

Why is nobody prepared to give a sensible answer? I'd also like to know who will be allowed to fish in the absence of an agreement but I guess expecting a sensible answer on MN was overly optimistic.

Look no further as to what happened when the agreement to fish for scallops ran out off the coast of Normandy a couple of years ago? UK boats carried on fishing there.... followed by both sides trying to ram each other.

I suspect that EU will carry on regardless and vice versa, they'll be a clash of boats at sea, tory MPs will demand the navy is sent in, they 'll then be another set of negotiations to deescalate.... until it happens again.

So...a free for all. Not a great prospect.

No, the quotas will be carefully regulated by the fishing regulators here in the UK miss

The government have said they will deploy the British navy to ensure that it is safe and the rules are adhered to.

Maybe something similar to the cod wars in the 1970s?

@MissEliza

So...a free for all. Not a great prospect.

That's what happens when there are no agreements.

Back in 2016, i listened to a commentator who said that the UK seeks to become a rival to the EU, not a partner, at the time this didn't seem likely or desirable but now i think thats exactly what Johnson wants.

No deal will mean a large chunk of the UK fishing industry going broke, not much point in catching fish for which you will have no customers. Dumping unsold fish on the UK markets won't work, it'll just depress the prices to the point that it just won't be profitable to fish.

level Playing Field is more of an obstacle than fishing, I reckon.

to be honest, I would only trust French media sources about what Macron is doing, what his priorities are. Nobody on thread seems to be quoting French political gossip.

This says Macron not wiling to sacrifice all French fishing rights to get Brexit deal (isn't that exactly the UK position)? Who is little Jupiter, Macron or Johnson?

blue I very much doubt the UK fishing industry will squander multi million pound deals somehow!!

I have just heard Johnson speak about fishing, and it did indeed make me think we are definitely headed for a no deal brexit.

@MissEliza

Why is nobody prepared to give a sensible answer? I'd also like to know who will be allowed to fish in the absence of an agreement but I guess expecting a sensible answer on MN was overly optimistic.

I guess because yesterday there was a (goady) thread 'to be really sad with France' (sorry can't link) that discussed it endlessly .

@YoureNotOnTheList

I'm glad that some PPs actually understand my point! I don't see how No Deal could be better for French fishermen than a compromise. So that means Macron is bluffing, yes?

In the short term it may not be, but longer term it is likely to be more beneficial to the EU.

The UK will have to come to a deal eventually. If it follows a period of following WTO rules when trading with the EU, which accounts for a large percentage of UK trade, then the Uk will be in a much worse bargaining position and will have to give a lot more to get that deal.

That's what I think anyway. Not sure what Macron thinks.

It will depend on what other trade deals the UK signs up for. We don't know what the UK have lined up or the detail yet. The UK imports far more than it exports to the EU, so it is not as simple as it seems. Tariffs would be very expensive for the EU as well.

Tariffs would be very expensive for the EU as well.
No
because they will use other sources than the UK

It will depend on what other trade deals the UK signs up for. We don't know what the UK have lined up or the detail yet.

If the UK had anything lined up it would be boasting about it. Silence probably means they've got FA lined up.

I don't think that is correct at all bluebrian

The UK can not sign any deal until we are out of the EU, so we will have to wait until next year, which is a matter of weeks.
I hardly think they will advertise how well it is going before then, as it will undermine the negotiations, and is somewhat disrespectful to the EU.

Once again. just to remind folk about Hitchens Razor in case you want to streamline your discussions ...

I think you are missing the point listening the EU will be charged to import goods into the UK if there is no deal. It will cost countries money to sell their products here, and given we are in many cases one of their main markets, it is not exactly beneficial to EU countries is it!
Do you understand how exporting and importing works?

@houseinthesnow

It will depend on what other trade deals the UK signs up for. We don't know what the UK have lined up or the detail yet. The UK imports far more than it exports to the EU, so it is not as simple as it seems. Tariffs would be very expensive for the EU as well.

Given the fanfare with the japanese deal, I can't imagine the UK would be keeping quiet about any deals they have planned.

@houseinthesnow

I think you are missing the point listening the EU will be charged to import goods into the UK if there is no deal. It will cost countries money to sell their products here, and given we are in many cases one of their main markets, it is not exactly beneficial to EU countries is it! Do you understand how exporting and importing works?

Do you understand how exporting and importing works?

We could possibly ask the same of you. The EU will be exporting goods to the UK, not importing them into the UK.....

It's much less of an issue for the EU as it is spread over 27 countries. Yes, some countries will be disproportionally affected but there is a contingency fund to help those countries deal with the loss of market.

I am strangely protective over our fishing rights.

Yes you are not alone yellow, I hear that alot, how important our waters are to us.

och perhaps you have not looked at the perilous financial state of both Italy and Spain (to name a few) I can assure you they are in no position whatsoever to absorb extra taxes. The UK imports much more than we export to the EU.

UK exports to the EU were £294 billion. UK imports from the EU were £374 billion.

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