What does Macron think will happen to fishing rights if there's no deal?

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I'm a bit puzzled about this. Macron is marching round like the little Jupiter he is, grandstanding for his home audience, who he hopes will re-elect him in 2022.

Fishing rights play well for him. But, er, what will happen to fishing rights if he manages to precipitate No Deal by vetoing a deal?

Which shows exactly how little you understand about how the EU works

The problem is not that we don't understand how the underbelly of the EU works, that we are all now becoming painfully aware of it.

Corruption and nepotism are rife in the EU. Everyone knows that! Even my cat.

Who gets to make the rules? Surely the union has to serve all members not just Germany and France with the threat of tightening the purse strings. In losing Britain they need to start considering how punitive they want to appear if they don't want the whole house of cards to fall. Poor old Italy and Greece.

thehoney I would imagine it must be very difficult and almost triggering for the Eastern Europeans to have to experience that again. There must be alarm bells ringing all over the place. It would explain why my Polish friends, they have been been very passionate about the EU up to a year ago but they are now feeling very worried about the direction of travel. They totally get the whole brexit thing in a way that others don't. Probably for the reasons you describe.

Still if Portugal/France and others get their way it will be a two speed Europe soon, and the arguments and rifts that will follow from that will make for interesting news. What happened to every country being considered equal?

@houseinthesnow

thehoney I was thinking the same.

It is NOT for the EU to unilaterally decide what laws and systems countries should follow. It is not for the EU to become so controlling as to feel they can punish any country!

This is precisely the problem, and why the UK left. Each country will have its own history, values and distinct differences. To not respect those differences within the continent, and worse still to 'punish' those countries that are seemingly 'being naughty' and not doing as they are told, this is is exactly why people voted leave.

The EU is in grave danger of becoming an overbearing, authoritative superstate that has overextended its mandate and some.

The EU is not attempting to unilaterally decide what laws and systems countries should follow. There is agreement within the EU on how it works. If you wish to be a member, you abide by the mutually agreed rules.

@TheHoneyBadger

Who gets to make the rules? Surely the union has to serve all members not just Germany and France with the threat of tightening the purse strings. In losing Britain they need to start considering how punitive they want to appear if they don't want the whole house of cards to fall. Poor old Italy and Greece.

Not allowing the UK to have its cake and eat it is not being punitive.

Corruption and nepotism- I think the way this government has been dishing out contracts to its mates we could give lessons on it.

Who makes the 'rules' though? That is the million dollar question!!

If Poland and Hungary and all the rest have to follow the rules, and they are to do so without question, which country/person/dark suits makes the rules? It is certainly not an agreement of any kind is it, because that would imply that all countries were involved in making said rules, and they certainly aren't.

It all boils down to the same thing. The EU is being run in the dark, by goodness knows who with no accountability or transparency at all. Presidents are elected from nowhere, and people are shunted into positions of power behind closed doors.

Whatever happens, the UK is much better off out of it! It is a snake pit.

What do MEPs do then?

Precisely when nothing but claim ridiculous expenses, as many an MEP will tell you from here!

@houseinthesnow

Precisely when nothing but claim ridiculous expenses, as many an MEP will tell you from here!

You're confusing the UK MEPs with those from the other member states.

"which country/person/dark suits makes the rules? It is certainly not an agreement of any kind is it, because that would imply that all countries were involved in making said rules, and they certainly aren't."

That falls into the category of "utter bollocks"

@houseinthesnow

Who makes the 'rules' though? That is the million dollar question!!

If Poland and Hungary and all the rest have to follow the rules, and they are to do so without question, which country/person/dark suits makes the rules? It is certainly not an agreement of any kind is it, because that would imply that all countries were involved in making said rules, and they certainly aren't.

It all boils down to the same thing. The EU is being run in the dark, by goodness knows who with no accountability or transparency at all. Presidents are elected from nowhere, and people are shunted into positions of power behind closed doors.

Whatever happens, the UK is much better off out of it! It is a snake pit.

Some rules were there before they joined and they obviously had to agree to abide by them if they wished to join. Rules made since they joined were made by agreement with all current member states. You can't really expect them to rip up all the rules and start from scratch every time a new country joins ?

If there is no deal French fisherman will be excluded from British waters. However British-caught fish will face high tariffs if exported to the EU giving French fisherman less competition. 75% of fish caught by the UK is exported, mainly to the EU. Also fish cross international boundaries so in a free for all on one side could easily deplete the stock that is caught by the other

@bellinisurge

"which country/person/dark suits makes the rules? It is certainly not an agreement of any kind is it, because that would imply that all countries were involved in making said rules, and they certainly aren't."

That falls into the category of "utter bollocks"

A more succinct way of putting my point

Also Macron is only doing what Johnson is doing- reverting to jingoism for political advantage

What about those pesky WTO rules

or the even worse UN rules

or those nasty people at NATO

darned international bodies expecting countries to abide what they sign up for [hmmm]

annie UK could easily sell the fish to countries outside the EU, and probably will if there is no deal.

The rules did not just appear out of thin air one day och The EU Commission has been evolving for over 40 years, someone somewhere has a vision and a plan from the beginning. Of course they do. Or do you imagine the EU just bumbles on automatic with no one steering the ship????

You know the answer, and so do I, so lets stop with the pretence.

Love to carry on but I have a life to get back to. We will know in a few hours, and many are hoping for no deal for all the reasons you have listed here!

@houseinthesnow

Love to carry on but I have a life to get back to. We will know in a few hours, and many are hoping for no deal for all the reasons you have listed here!

No deal means obeying the WTO rules

The WTO which is run by unelected unaccountable bureaucrats in Geneva

is that what you are hoping for ?

These Brexiteers are gonna LOVE the WTO.
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Have we got another "just popping out now". Hmmm - 'chinny reckon' as young people used to say.

@bellinisurge

Have we got another "just popping out now". Hmmm - 'chinny reckon' as young people used to say.

Interesting isn't it the posters who cannot see St Basils just dip in and out of threads without warning

@houseinthesnow

annie UK could easily sell the fish to countries outside the EU, and probably will if there is no deal.

The rules did not just appear out of thin air one day och The EU Commission has been evolving for over 40 years, someone somewhere has a vision and a plan from the beginning. Of course they do. Or do you imagine the EU just bumbles on automatic with no one steering the ship????

You know the answer, and so do I, so lets stop with the pretence.

Really? Please point out where I said the rules appeared out of thin air? Any country, trading organisation, union etc has rules that evolve over time. The EU is no different.

Or do you imagine the EU just bumbles on automatic with no one steering the ship????

The only place I see bumbling on with no one steering the ship at the moment is the UK.

@ListeningQuietly - the posters who cannot see St Basils just dip in and out of threads without warning

My thoughts exactly

UK could easily sell the fish to countries outside the EU, and probably will if there is no deal.

More Brexiter fantasy talk, based on absolutely no evidence.