What does Macron think will happen to fishing rights if there's no deal?

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I'm a bit puzzled about this. Macron is marching round like the little Jupiter he is, grandstanding for his home audience, who he hopes will re-elect him in 2022.

Fishing rights play well for him. But, er, what will happen to fishing rights if he manages to precipitate No Deal by vetoing a deal?

Tariffs are paid by the importer not the exporter

Most of the UKs exports are services and intangibles - for which there are no deals at all

@houseinthesnow

Yes you are not alone yellow, I hear that alot, how important our waters are to us.

och perhaps you have not looked at the perilous financial state of both Italy and Spain (to name a few) I can assure you they are in no position whatsoever to absorb extra taxes. The UK imports much more than we export to the EU.

UK exports to the EU were £294 billion. UK imports from the EU were £374 billion.

Latest stats

The contingency fund has been agreed already.

You also seem to be missing the point that pain will be spread across 27 countries vs 1 country. Who do you think will blink first in asking the other for a deal?

There will be a deal eventually. It's just a question of when and what it will consist of.

Contingency fund is far from agreed. It is my understanding that Poland and Hungary have vetoed it.

I also don't think the pain will be spread as widely as you think, there are a handful of countries that have a lot of skin in the game when it comes to a brexit no deal. Ireland, France, Spain and Italy to name a few.

"There will be a deal eventually. It's just a question of when and what it will consist of."

Actually, there will now be perpetual negotiations btw the EU and UK with 100s of deals being made to cover all the issues that used to be part of the EU legal framework and that need to be dealt with, constantly being re-negotiated and new stuff coming up - with the EU dictating most of the terms, i.e. a "Switzerland Deal"

It is my understanding

They will fish where they want if there is no deal. Who is going to stop them.
Until we come begging for a deal.

@houseinthesnow

Contingency fund is far from agreed. It is my understanding that Poland and Hungary have vetoed it.

www.ft.com/content/50d9731d-c5cd-4fa7-9626-7a0f2f2d62d8

They won't veto.

I also don't think the pain will be spread as widely as you think, there are a handful of countries that have a lot of skin in the game when it comes to a brexit no deal. Ireland, France, Spain and Italy to name a few.

I never said the pain of brexit will be spread widely. I said the pain of ensuring those who are suffering are compensated will be spread amongst 27 countries.

So a countries' veto no longer counts for anything, the EU will just steamroller it through anyway?? It just gets better and better

@houseinthesnow

So a countries' veto no longer counts for anything, the EU will just steamroller it through anyway?? It just gets better and better

Of course their veto counts. They just need to consider the consequences of the veto.

If the EU start to disregard the right to veto, it will plunge the whole institution into a serious and damaging crisis.

Ah 'the consequences', so now they will be 'punished' for failing to toe the line..... Wow are you actually comfortable with that? Because I am not.

Hungary and Poland are welcome to veto.
But they will find that funds from donor countries will suddenly dry up due to the atrocious behaviour of their governments
gay orgies in Brussels notwithstanding
so they will realise that they cannot
have their cake and eat it

the UK will too

listening I think I have stepped back into the 1930s reading your post. Are we supposed to be scared? You need to try harder than that buddy!

houseinthesnow
If you think that rule breakers should get the same perks as those who obey the rules
what is the point of rules

the WTO comes down pretty hard on Rule Breakers
and those in favour of Brexit seem to think the sun shines out of the WTO

Listening manages to succinctly encapsulate exactly what most brexiteers wish to get away from. Also the arrogance of some countries to think they could go on punishing other countries without the whole union collapsing. Perhaps those consequences need thinking through too.

@houseinthesnow

Ah 'the consequences', so now they will be 'punished' for failing to toe the line..... Wow are you actually comfortable with that? Because I am not.

Given the lack of integrity shown by the UK government wrt international agreements, I can understand why you might feel someone can break the rules without consequences, but that's not the way the rest of the world works.

@TheHoneyBadger

Listening manages to succinctly encapsulate exactly what most brexiteers wish to get away from. Also the arrogance of some countries to think they could go on punishing other countries without the whole union collapsing. Perhaps those consequences need thinking through too.

So Brexiters want to get away from the enforcement of international treaties and laws [Hmm] How will that work in the WTO? And why would the USA want to sign a trade deal with a country that likes to break rules ?

If the UK wants to be a rule breaker
it will become a pariah like Venezuela and Syria and North Korea

is that REALLY what you want ?

@bellinisurge erm the Royal Navy?

I'm not advocating that but I'm pretty sure we could police our own waters - didn't they get involved in a scallop skirmish a while ago?

thehoney I was thinking the same.

It is NOT for the EU to unilaterally decide what laws and systems countries should follow. It is not for the EU to become so controlling as to feel they can punish any country!

This is precisely the problem, and why the UK left. Each country will have its own history, values and distinct differences. To not respect those differences within the continent, and worse still to 'punish' those countries that are seemingly 'being naughty' and not doing as they are told, this is is exactly why people voted leave.

The EU is in grave danger of becoming an overbearing, authoritative superstate that has overextended its mandate and some.

@houseinthesnow

thehoney I was thinking the same.

It is NOT for the EU to unilaterally decide what laws and systems countries should follow. It is not for the EU to become so controlling as to feel they can punish any country!

This is precisely the problem, and why the UK left. Each country will have its own history, values and distinct differences. To not respect those differences within the continent, and worse still to 'punish' those countries that are seemingly 'being naughty' and not doing as they are told, this is is exactly why people voted leave.

The EU is in grave danger of becoming an overbearing, authoritative superstate that has overextended its mandate and some.

Which shows exactly how little you understand about how the EU works.

@wizzbangfizz , I'm old enough to remember the so-called Cod War with Iceland (google it) not as easy as you think. Especially as we want to keep the waters open for trade.
And do you really want it escalated to a military conflict. Wet dream for som Brexiteers, I know.

The EU is in grave danger of becoming an overbearing, authoritative superstate that has overextended its mandate and some.
Yeah those darned MEPs doing what they were elected to do
let alone the awful Council of Europe members doing what they were elected to do.
Shocking that the democratically elected bodies
uphold the rules they all agreed
just shocking

you'll be telling me the UK House of lords is democratic and accountable next

@houseinthesnow

thehoney I was thinking the same.

It is NOT for the EU to unilaterally decide what laws and systems countries should follow. It is not for the EU to become so controlling as to feel they can punish any country!

This is precisely the problem, and why the UK left. Each country will have its own history, values and distinct differences. To not respect those differences within the continent, and worse still to 'punish' those countries that are seemingly 'being naughty' and not doing as they are told, this is is exactly why people voted leave.

The EU is in grave danger of becoming an overbearing, authoritative superstate that has overextended its mandate and some.

Exactly. I don't support authoritarian superstates. Eastern Europe has already had to throw off one in my lifetime.

"It is NOT for the EU to unilaterally decide what laws and systems countries should follow."

We are happy to let them do it for Northern Ireland to get us out of a mess or do they not count.