Are there any Brexiters left?

[Miljea]

... on here, or more or less anywhere on SM? The last entry on 'Leave Means Leave' is months old. Though I understand most sites are 'member only', now....

I am really quite surprised how they more or less evaporated on MN! They appear to be gone!

Why?

Was I an idiot to respond to so many, like, off the top of my head, mummmytime? Were they a bot??

The Arms collapsed. The victors are, well... gone!

Why is that?

Anyone who knows me will know I am a Remainer, but I patiently read, often 500 threads!- pros and cons, to 'get a handle' on the direction of travel.

However, now absolutely no one, bar Clav, is standing up for Leave.

I find the silence more chilling than the arguing.

Ah, but I personally know of Leavers who think; certainly thought that way.

My uncle and aunt (70s) are an example. They 'accept' that Brexit may not go well for their children (40s, with DC), but apparently you have to break eggs to make an omelette 🙄

Overall, they think Boris has 'made a mess' of Brexit; but I guess, given their circumstances (final salary, owned 4 bedroom home, her PT; golf, annual golfing trips to the USA; on a Regional Manager at a rural builders suppliers, til his retirement at 60's - pension..) they're alright, Jack.

goldenharvest 'my stupid campaign'?

There isn't one. I know that.

I know we're fucked.

And I blame you. As I have every right to.

My small ray of hope is a USA who also, now, don't give a pygmie's about our self-inflicted injuries.

So, there will be A Deal. As now BJ is so painted into a corner, he has to concede.

But I'd like to hope that somewhere down the line, some Brexiters will quietly recognise that our relationship with the EU, complete with customs unions, regulatory alignment, and level playing fields is exactly what we had but with representation at the top table (applying rules we wrote) ... 🙄

But now we don't.

Rule takers, not makers.

@goldenharvest

YouGov showing that most Tory Leave voters would rather see the break up of the UK, adult children losing their livelihoods and a return to violence in NI than not have Brexit

FAKE NEWS ALERT. Fact checked!

I for one know of no one who voted leave, and have never seen it on SM, that we would want any of those things.

The actual poll said 54% of Conservative party members not voters. There are approximately 200,000 party members so around 100,000 expressed this point of view. A tiny fraction of our 60m population.

And the revulsion at Jeremy Corbyn had a massive influence on the Tory vote. But carry on with your stupid campaign.

@KenDodd. @Miljea.

Here is the actual poll. It was a sample of 2741 voters not members. 88% of leave voters said leaving was worth the risk of a second referendum in which the majority of Scots vote to break up the UK. 83% said it was worth the unravelling of the NI peace process.

Thing is, leave voters now KNOW that Brexit risks the peace in NI, they can't pretend that they don't. We've even seen the killing of Lyra Mckee. The needle hasn't moved in the slightest. I think this proves the polling accurate, on NI at least. Now I'm certain they don't actually want a return to violence, nobody does, but it obviously a risk they're willing to take. Now it might all be ok (let's hope) but it's a massive dice they've rolled.

That was @goldenharvest btw.
*I for one know of no one who voted leave, and have never seen it on SM, that we would want any of those things.^
And it wasn't that Leave voters wanted those things, that wasn't what the polling asked. It's that they were willing to sacrifice those things for Brexit.

@weepingwillow22

Members! members! Not voters I'm a voter, not a member. I don't want those things. I'm hiding this thread now, as that wall and my head are both being damaged

More than three quarters of Tory Leave voters in England would sacrifice the Union to see Britain exit the EU, a poll has found

Research by Lord Ashcroft, the Conservative donor, found that 76 per cent of English Conservatives who voted Leave in 2016 would prioritise Brexit even if it meant Scotland gained independence. Of the same demographic, 74 per cent would choose leaving the EU over Northern Ireland remaining part of the UK

The figures are a marked increase compared with a YouGov poll in June, which found that 63 per cent of Tory party members would be willing to pay for Brexit with an independent Scotland and 59 per cent would be happy to see Ireland reunite if Britain left the EU

Seems Tory members are more moderate!

I was really genuine with the below if anyone else knows a site.

Please suggest somewhere for informed, fact based, pro Brexit debate.

I'm also on reddit and there are still pro Brexit subs on there. I don't know why mumsnet Brexiters aren't posting on mumsnet anymore. Perhaps because mumsnet seems to be quite loudly Remain and prone to ganging up on people who disagree with whatever the mumsnet narrative is. Maybe they've just found somewhere they feel more at home posting about Brexit. It's a shame tbh, although I voted remain, I enjoy well structured arguments from people who disagree with me.

Do you have any links?

"I enjoy well structured arguments from people who disagree with me." That's the problem. Tried to find them. Tried to engage. More mush about faith , patriotism and feelings.

More mush about faith , patriotism and feelings.

Keir Starmer talking mush again - he told LBC earlier that he thinks Joe Biden will want to do a trade deal with the UK.

Hi, Clav. Want to cut and paste all those dreadful personal attacks I allegedly made on Leavers?

@Miljea

... on here, or more or less anywhere on SM? The last entry on 'Leave Means Leave' is months old. Though I understand most sites are 'member only', now....

I am really quite surprised how they more or less evaporated on MN! They appear to be gone!

Why?

Was I an idiot to respond to so many, like, off the top of my head, mummmytime? Were they a bot??

The Arms collapsed. The victors are, well... gone!

Why is that?

Anyone who knows me will know I am a Remainer, but I patiently read, often 500 threads!- pros and cons, to 'get a handle' on the direction of travel.

However, now absolutely no one, bar Clav, is standing up for Leave.

I find the silence more chilling than the arguing.

Well we've already left the EU. So nothing left to n say on that score.

We're now negotiating a trade deal, which the EU are approaching with typical bullying tactics.

Big girl/boy pants time @JaJaDingDong . It's called negotiating not bullying

@Clavinova

More mush about faith , patriotism and feelings.

Keir Starmer talking mush again - he told LBC earlier that he thinks Joe Biden will want to do a trade deal with the UK.

I bet if we quoted Keir Starmer, you'd just say "big deal, he's not in power".

Only I get to say that

Big deal. He's not in power.

Big deal. He's not in power.

How frustrating for him.

@Clavinova

Big deal. He's not in power.

How frustrating for him.

Indeed. Only a complete muppet would wade into a discussion and quote what he said. Let me go back and see who it is.

I think they’re probably embarrassed. They were sold a lie and believed it. I’d be embarrassed too.

Only a complete muppet would wade into a discussion and quote what he said.

If you say so - the next poster who quotes Keir Starmer is a muppet.

@Clavinova

Only a complete muppet would wade into a discussion and quote what he said.

If you say so - the next poster who quotes Keir Starmer is a muppet.

No, the last poster who quoted Keir Starmer is a muppet. And squirrel wrangler.

I am a Leave voter and have been on here since the referendum. I used to follow Westminstenders threads and was active in the Alms.
We have been on MN until about 3 weeks ago when we all went elsewhere.
We moved because of the bullying, name calling and attempted intimidation on here.

@yellowspanner
Hi. Can you recommend a well informed, fact based site for pro Brexit discussion please? I really do want to hear some solid fact and good news about Brexit detailing how much better off we are. Thanks.

I belong to another forum which happens to have many leave supporters and much of the conversation is about leave obviously. I have never found anything other than respectful debate there. Although I voted remain, I respect the decision that has been made, and I hope that it does turn out to be successful obviously. What I don't understand is the continued snarky behaviour towards people who also exercised their democratic vote, and, as a majority, won. Being shitty towards people doesn't change anything. It doesn't change the vote. It doesn't change Brexit. It's done now. Time to move forward and deal with it.
But I do understand why leavers don't generally bother to post here anymore. Why would they really when there's a guaranteed onslaught of animosity towards them. No doubt there are many leavers who are still part of MN and participate in it. They just don't bother to engage in the bun fight on this topic anymore.

[quote KenDodd]**@yellowspanner
Hi. Can you recommend a well informed, fact based site for pro Brexit discussion please? I really do want to hear some solid fact and good news about Brexit detailing how much better off we are. Thanks.[/quote]
The Express ? The Mail ?

Even when Brexiteers think they are being clever, they aren't. Firstly how can a majority ever be bullied ? That's just being silly. And as we know from history, no amount of name calling or intimidation can keep a good idea down, so why are they so sensitive ?

We've reached the level now where the advantages of Brexit are a secret, and they won't share them with Remainers. Boo hoo.

Like many people whose life has been affected by Brexit, I am seeking some sort of validation of it in terms of what was promised. Not some pound-shop psychic retrospective "proof" that it's all going swimmingly because we now have blue passports (that were never mentioned in 2016).