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Westminstenders: Governing by U-Turn

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2020 01:45

Johnson's determination to get brexit done and to have 'a clean break from Europe' on terms which involve other countries happily returning fishing rights they bought from us (without recompense for the said previous purchase) in addition to the EU accepting terms they don't feel create a level playingfield and risk their economic future make any deal impossible. Our demands simply aren't achievable.

The alternative is adherence to the Withdrawal Agreement in which we are unable to bail out businesses via state aid and to have no deal which creates huge trade barriers and tarriffs overnight and massive customs red tape which we simply are not yet prepared for because the systems for running this are running behind schedule. This would lead to massive food shortages and Brexit lorry parks throughout the country for the forseeable future.

Johnson's latest bright idea is that he seems to think he can avoid chaos by a strategy which would cause even more chaos by deliberately reneging on the withdrawal agreement which is an international agreement just months after throwing a hissy fit for China doing exactly the same thing. This wouldn't just be hypocritical but would make a mockery of our credibility internationally and potentially endanger every other international agreement we've currently in place because well, why should anyone else stick to an agreement with the UK.

We could face years of legal wrangles with god knows which countries and businesses suing the British government.

But y'know Johnson thinks this is a sensible strategy and a cracking plan to force Brussels to blink first rather than actually take the subject seriously and do something in the country's interest rather than prevent Johnson from damaging his internal reputation with leave voters and because he thinks this is the correct hill to die on to prove he doesn't govern by u-turn. Johnson's ego seems more important to him than feeding the nation and having an international reputation.

Or he could do another u-turn.

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prettybird · 09/09/2020 13:43

St Helena? After all it was good enough for Napoleon Grin

prettybird · 09/09/2020 13:44

Sorry - that post was meant to quote the one about where to send Farage, other than the Falklands. Wink

Darker · 09/09/2020 13:44

I'm jotting down the wording.. could be jolly handy some day

mrsnorrismeow · 09/09/2020 13:46

I have NC for this.

I feel there is no point to my life. I feel that my life is fucked and DS's life is fucked. Covid. Brexit.

I can't see anything ever getting better again.

TheMShip · 09/09/2020 13:46

@Darker There must be an uninhabited island somewhere we can lure him to.

I hear Rockall is nice this time of year.

TheMShip · 09/09/2020 13:48

@prettybird

St Helena? After all it was good enough for Napoleon Grin
I was going for Elba at first, but noted both it and St Helena are populated.
BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2020 13:49

Historically, brazenly breaking the law is when populist leaders start to become seriously dangerous / bad

The groundwork to enable this has already been done,
with the open criticism of judges who defied them and the demonisation of judges by their gutter press supporters / puppet-masters

SabrinaThwaite · 09/09/2020 13:50

I was going to suggest Gruinard (although it seems very unfair to inflict Farage on the Scots), but it's just not remote enough.

DGRossetti · 09/09/2020 13:50

@Emilyontmoor

Can we do a crowdfunder to get Farage to the Falklands? Maybe tell him its overrun with boat people.... Have the families of those who died at Goose Green and the other battle sites and at sea whose bodies lie on the Falklands, not suffered enough as a result of Thatcher’s diplomats giving Argentina reason to think that Britain was no longer much bothered......
One of the few Parliamentary exchanges Neil Kinnock got 100% spot on was his retort that it was a shame British soldiers had to spill their guts in the Falklands to demonstrate Thatcher "had guts".
ListeningQuietly · 09/09/2020 13:51

Lets send Farage to South Georgia Grin

I thought it could not get worse
but these new "no group bigger than 6" rules
in an area like mine with cases steady at 4 per 100,000
are just going to make people angry and cause extra stress

a lady I saw this morning asked why its OK for her to run her music festival on Sunday, but not Monday

SabrinaThwaite · 09/09/2020 13:52

The groundwork to enable this has already been done,
with the open criticism of judges who defied them and the demonisation of judges by their gutter press supporters / puppet-masters

Braverman and Buckland are keeping a low profile, aren't they?

pointythings · 09/09/2020 13:54

Isn't Gruinard the one that was sealed off because it was contaminated with anthrax? Would it be too much to hope there were still a few pockets of it around?

ListeningQuietly · 09/09/2020 13:54

MrsNorris
Hang on in there.
Most of the people on these threads are almost sane
and we are not alone.
Johnson has never followed anything through to completion in his whole life.
Brexit will be the same.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2020 13:55

@mrsnorrismeow

I have NC for this.

I feel there is no point to my life. I feel that my life is fucked and DS's life is fucked. Covid. Brexit.

I can't see anything ever getting better again.

... Try not to let the bastards get you down 💐 We are so much better than them and we can outlast them

COVID should be much less of a danger after vaccines have been approved, which the WHO estimate will be rolled out next summer

and next summer is also about when the reality check of No Deal would send the UK govt

  • quite likely under new management -
scuttling back to negotiate, with its tail between its legs.
SabrinaThwaite · 09/09/2020 13:55

@ListeningQuietly

Lets send Farage to South Georgia Grin

I thought it could not get worse
but these new "no group bigger than 6" rules
in an area like mine with cases steady at 4 per 100,000
are just going to make people angry and cause extra stress

a lady I saw this morning asked why its OK for her to run her music festival on Sunday, but not Monday

We have a (fortunately) small public event planned for Sunday, and are going through the whole question of whether or not we should go ahead with it, given that 24 hours later it will be illegal.
mrsnorrismeow · 09/09/2020 13:56

Thanks guys. Sorry for derail. Just feels relentless and can't see it getting better.

DGRossetti · 09/09/2020 13:56

With conscription in WW2, for upper class fascists it was a choice of going to jail or "volunteering" to be an officer to avoid the social horror of serving in the other ranks with the plebs

Presumably bone spurs had yet to be discovered ?

If we want to look at complex families, then let's throw the Kennedys into the mix....

Joseph Snr. was a fascist toady who started personally weaving a red carpet to welcome Hitler into London on. (Churchill didn't trust him as far as he could throw him and bugged the US embassy, thus being able to hear Joe Snr. telling Roosevelt that Britain was done for, and that Hitler was the chap to be friends with).

Joe. Jnr. was a stone cold war hero who sadly lost his life testing a new weapon over England. We owe him a debt as we do all US forces. His death meant that ....

John F. Kennedy had to become the Kennedy president - and he also served with distinction in WW2 and - whatever you feel about Vietnam - managed to stabilise the cold war.

ListeningQuietly · 09/09/2020 13:57

Sabrina
The virus understands that its meant to rest on Sundays and only become active on Monday.
You'll be fine Grin

SabrinaThwaite · 09/09/2020 14:00

@ListeningQuietly

Sabrina The virus understands that its meant to rest on Sundays and only become active on Monday. You'll be fine Grin
I noticed that Justin Welby is claiming that churches will be exempt because they aren't "social gatherings" Confused

Fortunately bumped it up to the CEO for a decision (he's quite hot on "branding" and "reputation" etc). There is some benefit to being a mere minion.

DGRossetti · 09/09/2020 14:02

We have a (fortunately) small public event planned for Sunday, and are going through the whole question of whether or not we should go ahead with it, given that 24 hours later it will be illegal.

I wouldn't let a little thing like the law stop you.

Phoenix21 · 09/09/2020 14:08

@mrsnorrismeow

I have NC for this.

I feel there is no point to my life. I feel that my life is fucked and DS's life is fucked. Covid. Brexit.

I can't see anything ever getting better again.

Snap, but can I add fear of increased racism to this? I’ve been truly terrified at times 😢
borntobequiet · 09/09/2020 14:08

@ListeningQuietly

Lets send Farage to South Georgia Grin

I thought it could not get worse
but these new "no group bigger than 6" rules
in an area like mine with cases steady at 4 per 100,000
are just going to make people angry and cause extra stress

a lady I saw this morning asked why its OK for her to run her music festival on Sunday, but not Monday

Won’t anyone think of the penguins?
borntobequiet · 09/09/2020 14:09

Or possibly seagulls.

ListeningQuietly · 09/09/2020 14:09

MrsNorris
It gets to all of us.
At the start of August the whole thread had rather a communal meltdown.
The main thing to remember is that history will prove Johnson to be a scumbag.

Emilyontmoor · 09/09/2020 14:10

St Helena just got an airport so it could attract younger tourists and not just the old people who wouldn’t use up their leave just getting there on a boat.

Though come to think of it if they locked Farage in a cage with many flagons of good British Ale, selfies in front of him could become Instagrammable moments. They could label the “attraction” Jurassic Park. .....