Saying goodbye to the EU

[Parker231]

Am listening to Radio Five Live and one of the topics is what would you say in your goodbye to the EU?

Mine would be - relived to an EU country passport holder and remain as a supporter of the EU. Hoping that the UK will rejoin.

but in some cases prejudices are passed down generations and in some case people are taught to hate for what has happened in the past.
But the Japanese do not hate the Americans
And the Jews and Disabled and Romany do not hate the Germans
and th eIrish do not hate the British

so you are wrong
thank goodness

Which means Albania and North Macedonia were still blocked entry.

What's your problem? Can't understand what unanimously means?

If people cant move on from the past there can only ever be disagreement and conflict

This is true, but needs both sides of previous greivances to the bury hatchet. When the numbers are measured in the millions that can take some time and assumes no indoctrination from earlier generations.

But the Japanese do not hate the Americans

Not all, but some do. I worked in Tokyo few years back and several senior Japanese asked why UK plays follow the leader with the US after WWII.

And the Jews and Disabled and Romany do not hate the Germans

I don't know any jewish so unable to comment

and th eIrish do not hate the British

Not all for sure, but some do. As a student in Manchester in the 80s I came close to attack when I refused to put money on the IRA collection box that was being passed around in one of the bars in Rusholme.

The EU was an example of burying the hatchet. Youd have to well into your 80s to remember the second world war.

Your attempt to shoehorn the famine into a conversation about grievances and the EU was pathetic.

Which means Albania and North Macedonia were still blocked entry

As France, Denmark and Netherlands thought that the applicants did not meet the EU rules criteria for memebership. It was a difference in interpretation of the rules as opposed to France changing the rules to suit themselves for revenge purposes.

Guess you are French or have French connection somewhere. Your post are clear:

UK will never be allowed to rejoin until the EU, and France in particular, have had their revenge first

Your attempt to shoehorn the famine into a conversation about grievances and the EU was pathetic

Could have used the Holocaust instead. Same pouit would have been made.

"If people cant move on from the past there can only ever be disagreement and conflict."

I think the EU is more than happy to move on, same as Britain. What Britain can't expect is thinking that it can come back to the EU when and how it wants. It won't happen. Nothing to do revenge, just pragmatism and political manoeuvring - when a powerful country leaves a table, the ones taking its place, don't want it back.

Nothing to do revenge, just pragmatism and political manoeuvring - when a powerful country leaves a table, the ones taking its place, don't want it back

Who will take UK's place and stump up 50 million per day (assuming no rebates) in return for a huge trade deficit?

I think some of you still don't understand that any country in the
EU can veto a third country from joining despite the recommendation of the European Parliament and European Commission

Exactly! the rules still apply but that does not mean a member state cannot veto, that is its democratic right and in the rules!
I am making the argument that a member state couldn't make stuff up to try and put "revenge" conditions on the UK....

Anyhow, we are years away from this scenario, another Mystery diversion.

You've absolutely no idea what you are talking about mystery. If you are trying to suggest that ireland wouldnt want to be shackled (good brexity word) to the EU because colonialism was still ingrained in its psyche you are clearly wrong. Ireland has been a member of the EU for as long as the UK and has approval ratings at around 90%

The UK’s trade deficit isn’t going to disappear just because they leave the EU. The UK wants to buy from the EU - this will continue although goods are likely to more expensive if the tariffs don’t get sorted out.

I am making the argument that a member state couldn't make stuff up to try and put "revenge" conditions on the UK

That was my point too. Alondra seems to think an objection has to be nothing but a simple;

"I don't want them in the EU"

Without giving reasons

Ireland has been a member of the EU for as long as the UK and has approval ratings at around 90%

Yes and a net receiver up until 2014. It will be a long time before Ireland breaks even with the EU.

Of course any country can veto a country joining. but... it's politics! That's why its so interesting. We just don't know what will happen in the next decade or so.

If countries get very fed up with a country they can start to vote in anti EU governments ('why is the will of X country being imposed on us!') and start to tighten the thumb screws of those in power.

I imagine a lot will depend on the effect on climate change on the weather in EU (economically, socially, politically and in terms of security) and how well the UK does economically brexit. If small countries see the UK doing well economically, that will clearly place enormous pressure on EU leaders.

(I think Brexit is a shortsighted, selfish and indefensibly stupid manifestation of the British psyche, and there won't be many if any 'wins' for the eejits that support it. I hope one day the the UK will be a proper european country though and it could do with being cut down a bit - job done!)

The UK’s trade deficit isn’t going to disappear just because they leave the EU

Who said it would disappear? Logic is to expand trade outside the EU to balance the losses on EU trade. However, so far there is not yet much of a plan other than Boris saying he wants a deal with; US, EU and Japan.

God that sounds like im a leaver , im not, im a full on remoaner

Without giving reasons

Immigration
Shengen
Pound

Are you taking the piss? Britain is leaving because it doesn't want free people movement and you think it will be approved rejoining vetoing it? What are you smoking?

Right so your convienantly flipping from perceived historical grievances to a monetary arguement....

Are you taking the piss? Britain is leaving because it doesn't want free people movement and you think it will be approved rejoining vetoing it? What are you smoking?

UK is leaving the EU. As per Article 50 the leaving member does not have to specify why it wants to leave. Nor can any of the other members veto the leave.

Immigration - Where has UK not complied with EU immigration?
Shengen - UK is not the only memeber to have opted out
Pound - Do all the other 27 member use the Euro? No they dont

Farewell and good luck

Right so your convienantly flipping from perceived historical grievances to a monetary arguement

See the turnout in Parliament Square last night. That’s the pride and the British bulldog spirit that won two World wars

twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1223377890655506433?s=21

Last nights Leavers who haven’t a clue what they voted for.

What has leaving the EU got to do with pride?

The British didn't win two world wars on their own.

Wouldn't have won the first without the French or the US.

Wouldn't have won the second without the allies.

Facile statements.