Brexit - the Good, the Bad and hopefully not the Ugly

[Bearbehind]

Following on the thread about how we will measure the successes or failures of Brexit, I’m just leaving this one here for people to record the successes and failures as they occur / as they see them

All welcome if you discuss the subject of the thread - this isn’t a thread for moaning about the fact Brexit is happening! 😁

Why do we even need to import chickens from overseas, whether nasty chlorinated US ones, or lovely organic ones from somewhere else. Can we not grow our own?

We can and do grow our own. We then export them to the EU for packaging, returning them to supermarkets for sale. Capitalism at its best, so we could grow more chickens and process them here. It will just cost more. Or we could import the US product and a much cheaper price. Which one will win out I wonder?

I would add, that's then one more to the 'bad' total, and one more to the 'ugly'. Still nothing good.

What’s their problem with Brussels then

Unelected.

thats just nonsense Mystery.

A rote learned point.

Why do we even need to import chickens from overseas?

Cost, do you want a KFC bargain bucket for £10 or one for £15 ? a chicken burger for a £1 for 4 or £3?

Millions of people are on the poverty line, they cannot afford UK produced meat.

Also, people do not want factory intensive farms near their villages, not that we have the labour to staff them or the abattoirs to slaughter the animals in.

Mystery you were talking about the geography re Brussels, stay focused:

However, for some reason EU headquarters is in Brussels? Had headquarters been in London attitudes may have been different.

How did all those Brexit MEPs get to Brussels then?

Each Commissioner is first nominated by their member state in consultation with the Commission President. The President's team is then subject to hearings at the European Parliament, which questions them and then votes on their suitability as a whole

Looks democratic to me.

Good point TatianaLarina we always let Mystery off the hook with his diversions

Looks democratic to me

But maybe not to others. Jasjas still promoting that only those that know best are entitled to an opinion which is most certainly undemocratic.

A rote learned point

Many of the leavers I know give unlected EU commissioners as a reason they voted to leave. However, immigration is the most common response.

As I look at the wall clock the UK will leave the EU in 10 hours 18 minutes and 10 seconds

Then the leavers you know don't know much about how the EU works or how their own country works.

Bet they aren't protesting Cummings at all

Then the leavers you know don't know much about how the EU works or how their own country works

Been here before, but I will reiterate.

Voting has two qualifications which are;

To be over voting age (18 in the UK or 16 in the 2014 Scottish Referendum)

To turn up at the polling station

There are no entrance exams, as suggested by Jasjas, to determine who does and does not know best and hence who is allowed to vote.

Wall clock tells me that UK leaves the EU in 9 hours, 3 minutes and 40 seconds.

It doesn't matter what the criteria for voting is you are allowed to criticise reasons for voting when they are incorrect and illogical.

still promoting that only those that know best are entitled to an opinion which is most certainly undemocratic

We can all (or used to) vote for our MEPs, they ultimately chose the commission, that just around 35% did so is their choice but its a bit rich to moan.
As i said earlier, its really no different to how govts and organisations the world over operate.

Failure: Loss of many well trained, good, competent EU NHS staff. Replaced in hurried desperation by some who have actually admitted they bought their 'qualifications'.

But you, oh layman, will be none the wiser. You will think the seven attempts they made to get an image of your wrist was 'thorough'. I will know it was negligent and increases your risk of cancer, down the line. Then let them loose on a CT scanner.....

criticise reasons for voting when they are incorrect and illogical

Another I know better statement.

Those that voted differently to yourself might think your reasons were incorrect and illogical.

The headquarters of the EU is located in one of the Founding members (BeNeLux)
And that is where it should stay.

I hope that Brexiters are happy over the coming months
and that Boris fulfils their dreams and wishes

I prefer to read about Brexit from foreign newspapers, they are able to take a less emotional view of the situation. Mostly people are hoping for mutually beneficial deals and to be able to continue close co-operation with the British even after this transition period. That does give me some hope.

Those that voted differently to yourself might think your reasons were incorrect and illogical

They'd be wrong though.

Complex irreversible decisions need to be taken by people with the skills and knowledge to be able to do so....tbh i found it quite amazing you struggle with this concept.

Are you going to explain this Mystery?

However, for some reason EU headquarters is in Brussels? Had headquarters been in London attitudes may have been different.

Again, the problem with Brussels as a location?

Those that voted differently to yourself might think your reasons were incorrect and illogical.

Well something’s either correct or it’s not.

If it is correct, then anyone thinking it incorrect is just wrong.

They'd be wrong though

Another I know better statement.

What makes you think you have a monopoly on what is right or wrong?

Complex irreversible decisions need to be taken by people with the skills and knowledge to be able to do so....tbh i found it quite amazing you struggle with this concept

Wasn’t too complex in the 1975 referendum on whether or not UK should remain in the EU. Nor was it irreversible as demonstrated by fact the UK will leave the EU in 6 hours, 12 minutes and 39 seconds from now.

What makes you think you have a monopoly on what is right or wrong?

A belief that something correct was incorrect would just be wrong.

24 + 32 does not equal 46.

Well something’s either correct or it’s not

But where is it cast in stone which is correct and which is not.

*If it is correct, then anyone thinking it incorrect is just wrong.

Same question. Who decides what is correct and what is not before a vote takes place?

I don’t remember the ballot paper having a note in the bottom saying that remain was the only correct choice as already decided by those who know better.