Brexit - the Good, the Bad and hopefully not the Ugly

[Bearbehind]

Following on the thread about how we will measure the successes or failures of Brexit, I’m just leaving this one here for people to record the successes and failures as they occur / as they see them

All welcome if you discuss the subject of the thread - this isn’t a thread for moaning about the fact Brexit is happening! 😁

Bargain

In the eyes of many it is a bargain as Pride is more important than economic gain.

And something you can choke on as your government sells you down the line...

However, we are free to negotiate or not. We can choose. We are in control
Of course we will negotiate, but when and how much is up to our own govt

Myth, we have to abide by UN rules and will end up with a version of the CFP as we do now, we cannot just refuse to do so.

If the fishing communities don't like whatever is negotiated they can get rid of their MP or at least vote them out at the next election

As always was, fishing communities didn't in the 70s when rights traded away, in fact they were pleased to take the money and sell the quota.
Cornwall moans about fishing, yet over the last 40 years votes consistently tory or LD, a few angry fishermen in Newlyn have no real say, any minority can be ignored... as always.

Conservation is the huge issue, stocks are falling and unless countries work together, they will be no fish for anyone, again its not an option to refuse to engage.

WTO dispute resolution is now blocked but you should know that surely?

39p a day? Don't spend it all at once!

WTO resolution being blocked was what prompted my question about which court you would take a dispute to.

Yes Peregrina, exactly! and even then WTO dispute resolution would take years.
ECJ was a great means for countries or indeed companies to resolve anti competitive practice, UK helped draft the laws and staffed the court.
What replaces it? how quickly and what powers of enforcement?

Any FTA needs dispute resolution and that means abiding by its decisions, which may overrule either sides legal systems.

Now the Leavers have won can they just stop trying to convince us it was a good thing?

You won, you admit yourselves it will have no benefits, it's all pride, sovereignty, whatever. Fine. Let that winning be enough. You don't have to continue with "why on earth are you moaning about giving up freedom of movement, economic prosperity, scores of jobs, fast passport queues, the EHIC card, ERASMUS, when it means that I feel a glow of pride and I can say "yah boo sucks, EU, Remoaners, we won."

And if there are any Leavers out there who voted Leave because they genuinely thought it was the best thing to do and not just so you could gloat over what you've done to your fellow citizens, remember many of the good things about EU membership are still available through EEA or similar. The future doesn't have to be another referendum and accepting the Euro. Once we understand the full losses of leaving the CU and SM we can one day get them back without being members. It's only Johnson who's saying this worst possible Brexit is "Brexit". Life outside the EU doesn't have to be as bad as he will try to make it.

Regaining rights over fishing ....
an industry that is less than 1 / 200 of uk GDP
an industry that employs less people than esports design
an industry that is dying because it does not listen to the science
an inustry that is utterly dependent on selling its catch to the mainland of Europe

so is regaining the liability for fishing a
Good, Bad or Ugly of Brexit ?

I've got a positive!

Went the racists who voted for Brexit because they don't like foreigners, realise they have just replaced white European Christian immigrants (who they hate) with brown Asian Muslim immigrants (who they really, really hate) they are going to implode with rage. I can't wait!

And yes I know, not all Leavers blar, blar, blar.

I am not trying to,convince anyone.
I was trying to answer the OPs question on the thread title.

I was giving what, in my opinion, are two very good outcomes.

Yes, but they are bullshit...

Sure Copper and its appreciated, however, even the fishermen don't believe the Govt will prioritise them and without tariff free access to EU markets, fishermen will go out of business....

After we leave, those devon scallop fishermen lose access to french waters and vice versa, we all saw the dramatic film of british and french boats ramming each other when just one tiny deal broke down.

I think I get what @Coppersulphate is saying. He/she would rather pay £1.39 to our chaps/chapesses to run trade/export/customs etc than £0.39 to allow us to run things in partnership with others.

Jason
That is not what I said.
Are you purporting to be a mind reader ?

To all remain supporters there is a thread on AIBU right up your street started by someone who thinks 17.4million leave voters should never be forgiven.

Are you purporting to be a mind reader

Not only do they claim to be mind readers, but also to have the ability to forecast the future with 100% certainty. Sadly they won’t share that ability which means they are the only ones that can win the lottery every week and make unlimited amounts of money from the stock market as they know exactly how markets will move.

Fishing is a funny one isn't it, nobody really cares politically about it and yet everyone made such a fuss about it during the referendum campaign. Ministers not bothering to turn up for presentations by the industry is very much in keeping with certain UK MEP's not turning up to EU committee meetings about the same subject. They simply don't care and to coin a phrase, fishing is small fry when looking at it in relation to the economy.

fishing is small fry when looking at it in relation to the economy.
As was the cost of EU membership

@Coppersulphate not in so many words, but the logical conclusion to having to do all the work ourselves in isolation, plus additional cost to businesses exporting to the EU, plus the costs already incurred, I reckon £1.39 is probably an underestimation. Your chosen charity is the only upside demonstrated to me so far, so thanks for that.

To me it seems sad that we sacrifice being part of a body where we could help to make the rules, in return for almost certainly being a rule taker with either China and/or the USA.

@Peregrina, given how little I trust the UK Government at present, being forced to accept the EU rules may not be the worst thing in the world. At the very least, out food standards will remain high.

Two friends of mine have lost their jobs due to Brexit (about two years ago). Both because the companies they worked for were not British but had head offices in London, and decided to relocate. Both were in the retail/fashion industry.

One guy was out of work for about 3 or 4 months, has got a new job, not as good or well paid, but at least he's working.

The other guy, it's really knocked him for 6. Doing bits and pieces here and there but not found a similar or better job to what he had.

I personally lost out because a project I had been working on was canned due to uncertainty around Brexit. Cost me and my family several thousand pounds.

Have not yet seen any benefits, but will report them if they occur.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51194363

This is a short article about 7 things that will change and 7 that will remain the same after 11pm tomorrow.

No point in getting angry at leave voters.

I don't get angry at them - I feel sorry for them. Delusion is a dreadful affliction,