Brexit - the Good, the Bad and hopefully not the Ugly

[Bearbehind]

Following on the thread about how we will measure the successes or failures of Brexit, I’m just leaving this one here for people to record the successes and failures as they occur / as they see them

All welcome if you discuss the subject of the thread - this isn’t a thread for moaning about the fact Brexit is happening! 😁

That wasn't a good explanation.

Doesn't address why National pride was hurt in the EU or why national pride will improve after Brexit

Doesn't address why National pride was hurt in the EU or why national pride will improve after Brexit

UK liberated France during WWII by defeating Germany. However, for some reason EU headquarters is in Brussels? Had headquarters been in London attitudes may have been different.

Brussels isn't in France.

No the UK did not liberate France in WW2, the allies did. Without the US the UK would have never have done anything.

The UK had many head offices of EU institutions.

Do you mean they should have moved the headquarters to the UK once the UK joined Mystery ?

UK liberated France during WWII by defeating Germany. However, for some reason EU headquarters is in Brussels? Had headquarters been in London attitudes may have been different

Complete lack of awareness of the historical facts there Mystery! lol!

Note that Germany, despite being a founding member doesn't seem to mind.

As to national pride? in 2012 the UK felt quite proud about putting on one of the better Olympic games, we don't need to kill 100s of conscripts to have pride in our country.

No the UK did not liberate France in WW2, the allies did. Without the US the UK would have never have done anything.

This. And without the Eastern front (ie vs Germany vs Soviets) Germany may have taken longer to defeat. 4 million German soldiers died fighting the Soviets.

Brussels isn't in France

Never said it was. Point is who elected EU commissioners like Barnier?

4 million German soldiers died fighting the Soviets

Trying to invade and take over Russia in winter was always going to be suicidal. Russians knew how to handle the extreme low temperatures. The Germans did not.

Note that Germany, despite being a founding member doesn't seem to mind

Germany enjoys a massive trade surplus with the EU. They will always think the EU is great.

Mystery
2/10 for that diversion!

Who elected Nicky Morgan? or Dominic Cummings?

The member states elect the EU Commissioner. Process is similar to that of electing an UK Prime Minister.

The member states elect the EU Commissioner. Process is similar to that of electing an UK Prime Minister

Doesn’t mean people agree with the process. UK has had several unelected PMs

Who elected Nicky Morgan? or Dominic Cummings?

Nobody.

I will give you 1/10 for being reeled in

Germany enjoys a massive trade surplus with the EU. They will always think the EU is great

Back in the 50s they didn't have this trade surplus nor did they object that Brussels would be where the first EEC institutions are based.

As you said a while back immigration was a deciding factor in the leave vote NOT that the EU Parliament isn't in the UK, never seen the 'Express moaning about that....

So Mystery, what's your point on Barnier then?

Back in the 50s they didn't have this trade surplus nor did they object that Brussels would be where the first EEC institutions are based

EU was in its infancy in the 50s and many countries still trying to adjust to WWII events.

Like all of mystery's points they are designed to derail the thread and lose its purpose under a torrent of squirrels. It's happened before and seems to be a way of hiding the fact that there is currently nothing good to post, only bad and ugly. The rest is squirrels.

As you said a while back immigration was a deciding factor in the leave vote NOT that the EU Parliament isn't in the UK, never seen the 'Express moaning about that

Correct. However, that tabloids made more noise about immigration than EU commissioners doesn’t mean that dislike of EU commissioners not being elected wasn’t a factor too.

EU commissioners not being elected wasn't the issue.

No one complains about civil servants not being elected.

I'd say dislike of EU commissioners not being elected wasn't a factor at all

Good to see you’ve had a quick google of WWII Mystery.

What’s your problem with EU location in Brussels exactly?

I'm going to look forward to eating our peracetic acid chicken as well as taking comfort from helping out those poor beleaguered American corporations in a UK-US FTA.

We really need to help those CEO's claim higher annual compensation as I fear they may be financially struggling and being able to open up the UK market fully will certainly help there. Especially the poor pharma CEO's, so thank god we'll be paying higher drug prices to help them out!

"Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc. has a market capitalization of US$34b, and paid its CEO total annual compensation worth US$27m over the year to December 2018."
simplywall.st/stocks/us/pharmaceuticals-biotech/nasdaq-regn/regeneron-pharmaceuticals/news/our-take-on-regeneron-pharmaceuticals-inc-s-nasdaqregn-ceo-salary/

"The 100 highest-paid CEOs of 2019. #100 on the list is bringing in $4,469,830/year in total compensation"
brobible.com/success/article/highest-paid-ceos-america-2019-millions-compensation/

"Get over fear of chlorinated chicken US tells UK" www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-us-trade-deal-chlorinated-chicken-eggs-battery-hens-rspca-hormone-beef-a9310536.html

"Trump will put US firms first in UK trade talks"
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/31/trump-will-put-us-interests-first-in-trade-talks-says-kim-darroch-ambassador

And here's another source, but be warned it's from that old socialist rag the Financial Times:

"US wants chemical-washed chicken on EU trade" www.ft.com/content/5b6d5bd6-410f-11ea-a047-eae9bd51ceba

Am listening to a radio chat show and some quests are saying that the UK can now take back control.

What does this mean - how had the UK lost control and how is that now going to change?

What’s your problem with EU location in Brussels exactly?

For me none. Just recording what I hear from leave supporters I know.

What’s their problem with Brussels then?