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Brexit - the Good, the Bad and hopefully not the Ugly

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 18:53

Following on the thread about how we will measure the successes or failures of Brexit, I’m just leaving this one here for people to record the successes and failures as they occur / as they see them

All welcome if you discuss the subject of the thread - this isn’t a thread for moaning about the fact Brexit is happening! 😁

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malylis · 30/01/2020 08:16

I think there are going to be a lot of angry leave voters at the end of all this.

MysteryTripAgain · 30/01/2020 09:32

@yepimaman

Bad luck for your friends. Similar happened to me in 2017. Was working for a UK Company that was in JV with a Spanish Company on a Project that was financed by the EBRD (European Bank Reconstruction Development). Although never spelt out that UK's decision to leave the EU was the reason some were shifted from the UK Company to the Spanish Company and others were told it was the end of the road I think it was the reason.

I was fortunate to be offered a position with a former employer who was based outside the EU.

MysteryTripAgain · 30/01/2020 10:57

I think there are going to be a lot of angry leave voters at the end of all this

When is the end? JRM estimated that it could take up to 50 fifty years before the UK feels the full benefits of Brexit.

If, according to remain supporters, all leave supporters were either rich pensioners, who are very unlikely to be alive in 50 years time, thick heads on benefits who have nothing to lose anyway, what difference does it make when the end appears?

malylis · 30/01/2020 14:59

Strawman mystery (do try harder).

Of course if it takes 50 years for us to see the full benefits of brexit then there will be angry leavers then too. People expect to see results.

I envision the fishing community will be angry, as will manufacturing areas.

MysteryTripAgain · 30/01/2020 15:57

Of course if it takes 50 years for us to see the full benefits of brexit then there will be angry leavers then too. People expect to see results

Not many leavers around in 50 years time. Particular if they were mostly pensioners in 2016. They would have to live to at least 120.

You still assume that leave was based on economic factors. Impossible to know exactly why 17.4 million voted leave, but I would reiterate what I think swayed many.

National pride
Uncontrolled immigration (tabloids blamed immigration for everything in the run up to the referendum)
No more unelected EU commissioners dictating to the UK

Jason118 · 30/01/2020 16:32

Just found out that the Madrid Protocol will no longer enjoy protection in the UK after 1 January 2021.

malylis · 30/01/2020 17:17

National pride?

In what way will we gain national pride from an economic down turn? Lower growth than we would have achieved within the EU?

EU immigration is under the 100,000 net mark, immigration as a whole is still as high. Are they going to be happy with that.?

No one said the benefits would take 50 years, thise much maligned and left behind areas that leavers pretend to care about what change now.

Some very angry times ahead.

Leafyhouse · 30/01/2020 17:41

I would like to see what happens to this thread overnight, when Australia comes online. Because whilst I despair of Brexit, one of the things I'm hoping for is that we pick up and concentrate much more of our resources on our NZ / Aussie / Canadian friends.

It would be interesting to hear an Australian / NZ opinion on Brexit, because we're going to need them more than ever.

MysteryTripAgain · 30/01/2020 17:58

In what way will we gain national pride from an economic down turn?

Vote to leave was based on existing national pride not to gain pride. For many Brexit is already a success.

malylis · 30/01/2020 18:03

What existing national Pride was it based on?

Explain further please.

MysteryTripAgain · 30/01/2020 18:05

No one said the benefits would take 50 years

That was Jacob Rees Mogg who said that full benefits may take 50 years to materialise. He didn’t say it would be 50 years before there were any benefits at all.2

Brexit was never going to an overnight windfall. Whenever their is a change of strategy it needs to be given sufficient time to take effect.

malylis · 30/01/2020 18:16

I'd explain that in a lot of leave voting areas that it wasn't an overnight windfall, that wasn't what the campaign sold.

There are going to be angry people.

I'm going to write a best selling children's book called "that's not my Brexit ".

MysteryTripAgain · 30/01/2020 18:36

There are going to be angry people

If people think leaving the EU is a bad idea they can campaign to rejoin. Article 49 provides a mechanism.

malylis · 30/01/2020 18:45

Of course.

But that doesn't remove the fact that people are going to be angry and the reason they are going to be is because they were told their vote would change the things that were important to them.

MysteryTripAgain · 30/01/2020 19:05

If people are angry they vote differently the next time. That was demonstrated in the last election.

Labour lost many seats as the Labour leave supporters didn’t like that labour was ignoring how they voted in 2016

malylis · 30/01/2020 19:17

There won't be another referendum, people will go on about the will of the people for ever.

The northern seats will be the angriest

jasjas1973 · 30/01/2020 20:14

Anyone who thinks they'll be another EU referendum, anytime soon, is batshit... its a political no-no and its why remainers are so incensed, this isn't reversible.

It took the anti europe brigade 40 years to get a chance to leave the EU.

ListeningQuietly · 30/01/2020 20:15

Roll on compliance with the census next April ....

TheGreatWave · 30/01/2020 20:48

Of course there are leavers who are going to be angry, because what they envisage leave to mean may not be what happens, so they won't be happy. If what leave meant was universally the same and known we would have left already.

TatianaLarina · 30/01/2020 21:31

When is the end? JRM estimated that it could take up to 50 fifty years before the UK feels the full benefits of Brexit.

On that time frame how will they be “benefits”?

What is the difference between “benefit” and “recovery”?

Dusty01 · 30/01/2020 21:51

What are Leavers actually expecting when Brexit happens? Are there any leavers who can list a few things please? I’m not mocking or being funny.

I imagined Leavers just simply wanted to leave.

MysteryTripAgain · 31/01/2020 05:52

I imagined Leavers just simply wanted to leave

Very likely. Many will be happy that as of 11pm tonight the UK has left the EU and what happens afterwards is immaterial.

My father has prepared a few sentences that he intend to read out at the local working men’s club at exactly 11pm tonight. Hope there are no Germans within hearing range.

MysteryTripAgain · 31/01/2020 06:06

What existing national Pride was it based on?

Explain further please

You must at some point have heard the phrase

Doesn’t make you proud to be British.

Falklands was a good example. Conservatives well down in the polls before, but stormed to a 143 majority in the 1983 election. Look up on YouTube the number of people who turned out to celebrate UK detest of Argentina and protecting those that had UK passports even though thousands of miles away.

MysteryTripAgain · 31/01/2020 06:09

UK can apply to rejoin the EU without a referendum. Can be done via election. Party’s who think rejoin is best can say so in their manifesto. Voters choose accordingly who to vote for.

However, remember that an application to rejoin does not mean it will happen. Only takes one member to say no.