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How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

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Bearbehind · 21/01/2020 14:30

I’ve been pondering this for ages now

In any ‘normal’ project you’d have targets, objectives, deadlines, reviews etc but for Brexit beyond 2 deadlines of 31/1/20 and 31/12/20 there’s nothing

People talk about politicians being accountable now but what do we expect them to deliver and by when

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Peregrina · 27/01/2020 15:09

This thread shouldn't be pointless. Economic prosperity comes high on the list for many.

NiceGuyNeddie · 27/01/2020 15:18

Well it's nearly finished now lonelycrab and quite frankly if you can't say anything nice don't bother saying anything at all.

That's what the op says and I 100% agree

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 15:24

Turkey is in a CU with EU

Turkey has been trying to get into the EU for decades. UK is leaving. Not a good comparison.

Norway is European Economic Area.

Cameron a brexitier, Johnson Gove were and headed the campaign to leave, OR are you saying they didn't have a plan?

Cameron didn’t have a plan which is why he quit after the referendum. Johnson was not PM until after T May stepped down in 2019. He does have a plan. Leave 31st January 2020 and conclude deals by 31 December 2020.

Millar case didn't state legal advice should be published

The case stated that Brexit had to pass through Parliament. MPs rightly wanted to know the legal advice before voting. Motion passed in HoC that Coxs advice had to be published.

NiceGuyNeddie · 27/01/2020 15:28

Op won an award for this thread I'll have you know!

malylis · 27/01/2020 15:30

Norway is in the single market.

Johnson led the campaign for leave.

Leave deliberately didn't stare what a leave scenario would look like because there are too many conflicting objectives for leaving. Don't blame Cameron for their lack of a plan. Blame their own political expediency.

ListeningQuietly · 27/01/2020 15:31

How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 15:32

neddie I’ll ask again what you get out of your posts on these threads?

You are just making sarcastic jibes and provocative comments all the time.

I really hope you aren’t a man who is just here to stir up trouble with an audience which is predominantly female because that would be a really disturbing situation

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 15:35

Not many more posts left on this thread

I’d like to start another just for a place to list successes and failures as they occur after Friday but I suspect it would be continually derailed as this one has been

As others have pointed out, this has been quite interesting once you cut through the bluster

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NiceGuyNeddie · 27/01/2020 15:40

Yes that's the second time you've mentioned the 'man' thing. Men have got a perfect right to post on mumsnet so I hope you're not trying to suggest otherwise Op?

As to what I get out of my posts - same as you do out of yours presumably? Why do you ask?

time4chocolate · 27/01/2020 15:40

Op won an award for this thread I'll have you know!

NiceGuyEddie I'd like to give you an award but tbh I'm a bit stumped on which category is the best fit- I'll have get back to you.

Hester54 · 27/01/2020 15:50

Minimum is Carry on as we are, minus 10-18 billion we pay and proper control of FOM, Growth will be hard to come by as the world growth figures show.
There will be the inevitable recession at some point in the near future, we have one nearly every decade, now over due one,
Who knows what will trigger the next one, oil, financial , environmental, disease, etc, but Brexit will get the blame

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 15:54

Leave deliberately didn't stare what a leave scenario would look like because there are too many conflicting objectives for leaving

For the referendum to be fair it had to be equally weighted between leave and remain. Hence the question was Leave or Remain.

Article 50 specifies that the member who wishes to leave must first serve notice of their intention. Once received by the EU then discussion on the withdrawal agreement and what the future relationship will be is discussed.

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 16:12

Yes that's the second time you've mentioned the 'man' thing. Men have got a perfect right to post on mumsnet so I hope you're not trying to suggest otherwise Op?

Men do have a perfect right to post here - that’s not my point

I don’t understand why anyone would chose to move around threads just making sarcastic and provocative comments, rake up previous comments and generally trying to stir up trouble rather than contribute to the discussion but I find it even more concerning that a man would chose to do so with a predominately female audience

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 16:15

As to what I get out of my posts - same as you do out of yours presumably? Why do you ask?

I’m discussing the thread topic - you’re not

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Peregrina · 27/01/2020 16:46

I don't think Johnson saying what he will do constitutes a plan. We know that he is not a man of his word.

A plan would be which trade deals he wanted and with which countries, prioritising those which are most important.

jasjas1973 · 27/01/2020 17:14

Why not? A document that impacts the entire UK should be read through word for word

At bl00dy last! we get to the root of this mess....things that impact ALL of the UK should be thoroughly thought through.... which has not happened from Cameron through to Johnson to Parliament agreeing very poor referendum legislation and then voting to invoke A50.

As this thread winds up, i for one, would like to thank Bear for starting & sticking through all of this, it's been a very interesting thread, one of the very best ones on Brexit, plus everyone who has contributed.

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 17:21

Thank jas

Maybe I will leave another one there for us to pop in and contribute as things develop.......

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bellinisurge · 27/01/2020 17:27

Cheers Bear. No doubt we'll meet again.

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 17:44

I’m discussing the thread topic - you’re not

Apart from a few saying they want to see more money for the NHS and for the trade deals to appear, has anyone said anything else to answer the original question?

Limitedsimba123 · 27/01/2020 17:47

We won’t be able to carry on as we are though as even if we agree a FTA we are creating frictions to trade compared to the frictionless trade we enjoy now, unless we fully converge with EU, which we won’t unfortunately. Even if we decide to unilaterally align with EU rules just having the potential/option to diverge means EU won’t recognise that we have the same rules which means goods exporters to EU will have to test/register/label etc twice which will be very expensive for them. As a minimum we need to extend transition as realistically we won’t have everything in place to implement NI protocol in 11 months time, we could be looking at breach of the treaty. I don’t know how the government can expect business to prepare when they don’t even know what to prepare for yet.

My measure of success is that any FTA we could not have otherwise entered into by remaining successfully mitigates against inevitable negative economic effects of creating trade barriers with EU, whilst at the same time maintaining the current environmental and working protections we currently enjoy. Here’s hoping someone in vote leave camp had a plan to do this and did impact assessments etc before this madness started.

Mockers2020Vision · 27/01/2020 17:53

I am slowly beginning to wonder if the Great British Electorate is a genius.

BJ and his troupe of clowns in their car with the wheels that fly off have been left in a position where there is no one else to blame when the bucket of feathers turns out to be shit from the elephant's cage.

Karma's gonna git ya

Arkadas · 27/01/2020 18:17

Apart from a few saying they want to see more money for the NHS and for the trade deals to appear, has anyone said anything else to answer the original question?
Yes. You can google it if you like.

NiceGuyNeddie · 27/01/2020 18:20

Nah, there'll always be someone else to blame. Tories are still blaming Labour for the recession and their voters still lap it up. It will always be someone else's fault and I think however bad it gets Tory voters will still be saying how irresistible Boris is

NiceGuyNeddie · 27/01/2020 18:28

I’m discussing the thread topic - you’re not

Sometimes I am, sometimes i'm not. Sometimes you're not - just whining repeatedly about pp who won't accept the result and why don't they post somewhere else etc etc ad nauseam

Oh, and i'm not male, even though there should be no need for me to have to state such a thing as it's none of your business. my name is a jokey reference to a film character, not my actual name. Are you a bear? (if you were I know which one you'd be..)

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 18:35

Yes. You can google it if you like

Just have. Sure enough Mumsnet is top of the search results.

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