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How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

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Bearbehind · 21/01/2020 14:30

I’ve been pondering this for ages now

In any ‘normal’ project you’d have targets, objectives, deadlines, reviews etc but for Brexit beyond 2 deadlines of 31/1/20 and 31/12/20 there’s nothing

People talk about politicians being accountable now but what do we expect them to deliver and by when

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MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 12:32

Happy to sit back and watch the winners do the heavy lifting

If they fail it will affect you too.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 27/01/2020 12:34

I think brexiteers gave up on NI when they realised honouring an international peace treaty at the same time as delivering brexit unicorns (to border or not to border?) became too complex.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 27/01/2020 12:37

I'm largely protected from the fall out mystery. Brexit proof job, eu passport I can absorb price increases.

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 13:25

leavers voted against leaving

As did 257 labour MPs and all of the SNP party. Labour because at the time they fancied their chances in a general election.

SNP because Scotland as a member of the UK voted to remain in 2016. This is a valid reason to oppose, but always futile as the number of people who voted leave is three times the population of Scotland.

the uncertainty could have been avoided if they had supported their own elected leader

Why would any MP want to support a PM who thought they were above the law.

Would you say the same for a border between Wales and England? or Cornwall and Devon? an argument against an independent scotland is a customs border between Scotland and England

UK as a nation and Ireland have the GFA to work around. Scotland and Wales (which are members of the UK) do not.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 27/01/2020 13:30

Why would any MP want to support a PM who thought they were above the law.

Oh, the irony...

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 13:38

I'm largely protected from the fall out mystery. Brexit proof job, eu passport I can absorb price increases

So why are you bothered about Brexit at all if not affected?

jasjas1973 · 27/01/2020 13:41

GFA does not affect the sovereignty of the UK, a border in the Irish sea is effectively making NI part of ROI.

Why would any MP want to support a PM who thought they were above the law

In which way was May above the law?

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 13:53

GFA does not affect the sovereignty of the UK, a border in the Irish sea is effectively making NI part of ROI

So install a hard border between NI and ROI instead.

In which way was May above the law?

Subsequent to the Gina Miller case it became law on 24 January 2017 that Brexit had to pass through Parliament. T May signed her version of a WA in November 2018 without Parliament approval which was illegal.

T May also tried to conceal the legal advice on her WA from both MPs and the public.

Still waiting for a remain supporter to explain why she did that? How were MPs meant to vote on her WA without knowing the risks?

bellinisurge · 27/01/2020 13:54

"So install a hard border between NI and ROI instead. "
Under. No. Circumstances is this ok. Come on @MysteryTripAgain .

jasjas1973 · 27/01/2020 14:04

..or whole of the UK stays in a CU until the future relationship sorted? (as per Mays deal)
Of course had Brexit been planned instead of a scribble on the back of a notepad, the issues around NI/ROI would have been properly addressed.

If May acted illegally, why didn't she end up in court ? didn't leavers have the money? or are you making stuff up now.......

Precedent is Govt doesn't have to publish legal advice, Cox made a statement on this. unlike the report into Russian influence on the electoral process? still no release date and of far more importance.

NiceGuyNeddie · 27/01/2020 14:09

She lost her majority due to incompetence and arrogance yet next time round an incompetent, arrogant lying toe-rag got a massive majority. So, I don't think that was the reason for May's GE disaster

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 14:11

Under. No. Circumstances is this ok. Come on

We know. That’s why a Border in the sea was the solution.

NameChangeNugget · 27/01/2020 14:18

It will be a success if it shuts moany remainers, like me up. I think it’s going to be the worst thing ever for this country

Peregrina · 27/01/2020 14:23

Why would any MP want to support a PM who thought they were above the law

As ever, Johnson gets a free pass by a Leaver. I don't think May was fundamentally a liar and a cheat in the way that Johnson is.

malylis · 27/01/2020 14:27

TM could sign the WA without it passing through parliament. The ratification of it had to be done by parliament not agreeing to every proposal within it.

There is no way a WA would have ever even been put before parliament if each and every point in it before it finished had to be debate and voted through.

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 14:38

or whole of the UK stays in a CU until the future relationship sorted? (as per Mays deal)

That’s not Brexit.

Of course had Brexit been planned instead of a scribble on the back of a notepad, the issues around NI/ROI would have been properly addressed

Cameron assumed that remain vote would be huge and didn’t bother with a plan. No mention of NI/ROI/GFA in remain campaign booklet sent to every household in the UK.

May was forced by Parliament to release the legal advice in which the attorney general recorded that Britain could be trapped indefinitely in a customs union. Google it if you wish.

Precedent is Govt doesn't have to publish legal advice, Cox made a statement on this

For Brexit the legal advice had to be published in accordance with the Miler case law. How would MPS know what they were voting on without the legal advice?

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 14:46

Why is it posters on this thread continue to revert back to the ‘what ifs’ on Brexit?

It’s like the default position for every comment for some people

It’s completely pointless - we leave on Friday and unless we sort our shit out in the next 11 months and come up with a deal of sorts we’re back to no deal again

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NiceGuyNeddie · 27/01/2020 14:49

I think you mean your shit shurely?

jasjas1973 · 27/01/2020 14:49

Brexit is anything that means the UK is no longer a member of the EU, so Turkey is in a CU with EU... but not in EU, Norway is the SM... not in EU, is Switzerland in or out of the EU ??? should the EU27 be the EU32?

Come one do some basic research before posting.

Cameron a brexitier, Johnson Gove were and headed the campaign to leave, OR are you saying they didn't have a plan?

Who'd have guessed!

MPs vote on loads of things without knowing the full legal advice, Millar case didn't state legal advice should be published, Well aware of Coxs opinion, your point that the courts forced her to publish are incorrect,

Getting things wrong is becoming a bit of a habit with you.

Peregrina · 27/01/2020 14:50

That’s not Brexit.

That is not your idea of Brexit, but your opinion is as good or bad as 17 million other opinions.

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Bearbehind · 27/01/2020 14:50

I think you mean your shit shurely?

No I absolutely don’t - whether you voted for it or not - it’s everyones shit now

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NiceGuyNeddie · 27/01/2020 14:54

But not everyone's shit to get together, that'll be your man Boris' job. My job to watch and learn

malylis · 27/01/2020 14:59

Somone should write a book: "That is not my Brexit"!

MysteryTripAgain · 27/01/2020 15:01

TM could sign the WA without it passing through parliament

She did, but Parliament is required to approve before passed into law which it wasn’t.

There is no way a WA would have ever even been put before parliament if each and every point in it before it finished had to be debate and voted through

Why not? A document that impacts the entire UK should be read through word for word.

Lonelycrab · 27/01/2020 15:07

This thread is almost as pointless as Brexit.