How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

[Bearbehind]

I’ve been pondering this for ages now

In any ‘normal’ project you’d have targets, objectives, deadlines, reviews etc but for Brexit beyond 2 deadlines of 31/1/20 and 31/12/20 there’s nothing

People talk about politicians being accountable now but what do we expect them to deliver and by when

What lazy thinking.

I’m not sure why that comment was necessary?

I specifically said I was interested in change that could only happen being outside the EU and I stated that personally I may think it is good or bad but the fact is it’s a direct result of Brexit

Would you care to offer some less ‘lazy thinking’ on the actual thread title?

For the rest of the country I'd think a good outcome would be minimal disruption to travel and trade, food and fuel prices not rising too much, and foreign owned companies deciding to remain in Uk, so minimal job losses.

I agree with this

I think we can’t just look at changes that could only happen if we were outside the EU. For example, if the UK economy gradually declines, it could be for a number of reasons. But if the EU economies consistently outperform ours, it would be fair to assume that leaving the EU had a detrimental effect.

Bear I don't feel i have any chip on my shoulder, i just don't like hypocrisy!
You are staunchly pro EU but vote (fairly consistently) for a party that has now, as you say, got us out of the EU :(

Anyhow, back to your OP.... i think the only real way to gauge the success or otherwise of Brexit, is to look at our standing across a range of international league tables now and then in a few years time compare again .......

I would add, that it will be interesting to see how we engage with the EU in future, will we be collaborative or will we become distant & a competitor to all things EU ?

You are staunchly pro EU but vote (fairly consistently) for a party that has now, as you say, got us out of the EU

The reason we’ve pissed around for nearly 4 years with this is that Brexit isn’t split along party lines

There are Tory Remainers

I’d say there are also Labour Leavers but Labour’s stance on Brexit was / is so wish washy that it only serves to emphasise my point

I voted for the only party that was going to end the fannying around wrt leaving, even if I don’t think it was the right choice to do so

That choice had already been made - I’ve accepted that - you clearly haven’t

I agree our international standing will be an interesting measure although I suspect anything bad will have a million EU related excuses

There are Tory Remainers

Are there any left in the government Bear , I thought most had either been deselected or left ?

Maybe not (officially) in parliament frumpety but there are Tory Remainer voters

I’ve said many times, for me this time, the Tories were the least worst option, certainly not the option I’d have liked

If there had been a viable alternative people would have chosen it. Instead the great Corbyn totally fucked it up with his promises of free ponies for all and no clear direction on Brexit - people saw through it

And yet you voted for Boris "Magic Money Tree" Johnson. Who has promised 40 new hospitals for tuppence, reopening all the old railways for 5d etc. This is the lazy thinking!

If Scotland gains independence as a result of being forced to leave the Eu despite voting to remain then I'll be happy!

And Corbyn was better how doris?

Like I said for me it was the least worst option

And again, going over that now is pointless - we’re leaving next Friday

Corbyn was a twat. But he wasn't a lying twat. And he wasn't desperate to take us out of the EU.

But you chose the lying twat who wanted to take us out of the EU. Whilst claiming that leaving the EU was a bad thing.

Logic fail...

Yes doris because Corbyn avoided lying by avoiding committing to anything

And again, this discussion is pointless

Brexit happens in 9 days

You started this conversation!

Yes, Corbyn was useless. But you seem to think that voting for the person who was promising to destroy the country is somehow better.

Real logic fail...

For any valid tests you first need to set your 'hypothesis' or Statement to be Tested. Then describe some measures and how you will gather your evidence; the methodology, data collection, quanti or quali research, data analysis, ethical requirements, etc and then 'pilot' it.

In the current not in the SE but in the 'gig-worker' world, very similar to The Boys From The Blackstuff world; I'm happy to help if you

Gissa A Job.

@bear there maybe Tory MP's that profess to be remainers - but they have sold their sold to the devil. They aren't part of a functioning democracy as they are voting with the government on things like EU citizens rights and refugee children - which even if they are remainers believing it had to happen..... you don't have to screw absolutely everyone over on the way.
Parliament is meant to be MP's voting for what is best for their constituents. Not just blindly voting for whatever the PM (or DC)says....... we essentially have a dictatorship propped up by a whole lot of spineless MP's

Yes doris, I started a conversation about how we measure if Brexit is a success

What I didn’t start was a rant about how it was the nasty Tories that got us here because I think that is entirely pointless

The first failure will be the slogan "get brexit done". It certainly wont be done in 9 days time.

It's OK Bear, I see that you don't like being called out on your stupidity. But it's there nonetheless.

Less move on now.

That won’t be a problem ghost after 31/1 it won’t be called Brexit anymore

Surely a thread about successes and failures is pointless? Its subjective. What is success? Blue passports? Failure? No additional 350 mil a week for the NHS?

doris you haven’t ‘called me out on my stupidity’

You’re just making subjective statements about things that really don’t matter now because more people (who chose to express an opinion) disagreed with you than agreed with you in the GE and referendum

Bear - you have spent the best part of 3 years arguing against anything brexit, you were doing no more than the opposition/remain MPs you now seek to mock.

Yep the greatest UK foreign policy cock-up in modern times (and irreversible) and all because of people like you believed what the MSM told you about Labour, so you voted for that lying, cheating, irresponsible, right wing populist Johnson.

So, already, the UK is trashing its (rather poor) human rights record by using refugee child in europe as a bargaining chip in the forth coming eu negotiations..... i mean how low are you willing to go in your support for the far right ?

If brexit wont exist in 9 days why start a thread about it? It's clearly done, nothing to see here.

Oh sorry, I must have posted on the wrong thread - I thought it was about how we could measure the success or failure of Brexit.

It's a bit late and I had a tooth yanked out today so I do apologize.