Westminstenders: The only way forward is up.

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A new thread as the other one is getting full. I'm enjoying the post election discussion. Every view is listened to and welcomed.

Brexit is happening, but what kind of Brexit will it be?

New leaderships for both Labour and the LibDems.

Most importantly, will Britain be Great in 2024?

And I really struggle to understand how people could vote for him as a person.

Because many of us felt voting for Corbyn was worse

You do realise cendrillon sits back and rubs hands in glee when the bickering kicks off, right?

I’m saying there’s sod all point in going over what’s done - it can’t be changed for 5 years

Don’t then. Why try to stop other people from doing so?

Blairites.

Apparently, we are many and we are legion and we must go.

Sweetly, they're planning on doing more workers' education projects: building trust by entering communities, working alongside the people, and subtly educating them out of the error of their ways.

I'm looking forward to their joy when they discover we can form whole sentences.

just, I have now reported your post - it’s too much

Surely the anti Tory manifesto for next time will be "oven ready" when the fuck ups start.

Bear yes fair enough.

I am not a Corbyn fan at all.

But i do think he was a decent enough man - just not in the right job.

But morality and trustworthiness is something that's important to me.

I’d like to know about about Bearbehind and Cendrillon’s socio-economic background, line of work. If you want to do something useful you two you could outline your demographic.

just, I have now reported your post - it’s too much

um ok, gold star for you [eye roll]

One of the huge pluses of the Tory win for me is that they are 100% accountable for Brexit now

That’s why they’re not going to completely fuck it up - they have to live with the consequences

I want to know if anyone has read the cooking instructions of this oven ready thing? Is the oven fan assisted? How long is cooking time? Do we need to turn anything over at any point? Is basting required? Will we die of food poisoning if it's undercooked?

You do realise cendrillon sits back and rubs hands in glee when the bickering kicks off, right?

Yes, I do. And I apologise for rising to the bait.

I do nothing useful tatiana 🤔

piggy its an oven deal that you put in the microwave, so its going to be undercooked, still frozen in the middle and congealed around the sides

...It depends if you want it rare, medium or well-done. You may need to add extra cooking time to avoid economic boutulism.

If you choose to self identify as vermin how am I able to stop you I'm just a random disabled voice on the internet who by the time I'm fully transitioned onto UC will be £120 a month worse off because of this parties policies towards the disabled, police your own language and your content and if MNHQ see fit to police mine then so be it

I get it just. I do. Sometimes I think you’re a bit OTT this point is perfectly valid.

It is absolutely fair to argue that Tory voters have personally voted for the abuse of human rights for the sick and disabled. They have.

Alsohuman

You know perfectly well you have nothing in common with regular posters, you know you’re not going to change our minds, but you both know full well that you’re rubbing our noses in your victory. Why can’t you be gracious and just bugger off?

Mainly because I found you and a couple of others quite so obnoxious throughout the campaign, and I have a childish sense of humour.

But you're right, the time for gloating (at least at those who accept reality) is over, and it's time to be serious.

I was terrified during this election. So was my family, and most of my friends. No one's going to pretend that there was any great euphoria for Boris Johnson in the country, certainly not when you compare it to say Tony Blair in 1997, and yet Boris just won an even higher share of the vote than Blair did when the streets were full of crowds cheering him. Why?

Because Labour put forward a leader and a policy platform that caused almost half the country to shit themselves and run towards the Tories for safety.

I look forward to a day when we don't have to be afraid of a Labour Government replacing the Conservatives. That doesn't mean every future leader must be a clone of Tony Blair. Maybe they'll tax us a bit more, maybe the trains will be publicly-owned, maybe our foreign policy will change, maybe we'll spend more on green technology. But we shouldn't have to fear the entire structure of the country and economy being torn down to build the New Jerusalem (maybe not the right city in this context!).

You don’t work bear? Do you have a partner? What rough area of the country do you live in? (Not asking for anything too revealing).

One of the huge pluses of the Tory win for me is that they are 100% accountable for Brexit

This is a silver lining in all this for me, watching it all play out and knowing they actually have to own this shitshow. Plus once we actually have left there can be no more blaming the EU for everything

There you are - a shedload of money flowing into the NHS, which will be good for patients and excellent politics too.

Not if it immediately goes towards spending on US-owned companies providing the services at 10x what it would cost in house, surely ? You need to point out the bit "enshrined in law" where that can't happen, before you can claim your prize I'm afraid.

I'm coming to the conclusion that you tend to miss the "critical" part of "critical thinking". Which is not an insurmountable obstacle, as long as you are doing the "thinking" bit to start with.

I have a second taunt ready .

PMK

Cendrillon we probably aren't that different.

I voted for Labour but I was scared about the damage Labour would do with the economy. Too much in too short a period of time.

Boris - well a NO deal terrifies me and I thought that was where we were heading next year.

Actually him having a really large majority has give me more hope.

I wish him well- but I will never forgive the lies he has told and thenwsy he goes about things.

Because Labour put forward a leader and a policy platform that caused almost half the country to shit themselves and run towards the Tories for safety.

Much as I loathe Corbyn and hold him responsible for Labour’s defeat. It’s an interesting fuckwittage to think that he was more of an economic threat than hard Brexit. Which shows that even after 3 years, the populace have no better understanding of economics than at the start.
Quite apart from the fact that Labour was never likely to achieve anything more than a hung Parliament.

Cendrillon, thank you. You’ll never know how much that post is appreciated.

To a point, Tatiana.

I, personally, thought Corbyn would be a disastrous PM.

I was hoping for a hung Parliament to reign him in and temper some of the worst possibilities, while the UK calmed down.

That means I was relying on some people to vote for a number of other Parties.

Unfortunately, too many of the electorate did that, in all the wrong places.

And, yes, it's true that quite a few, knowingly, voted for more pain for other people. And that's on them. It was a pretty grim thing to do.

But the others? No. I'm not going to dehumanise them. It's pointless - and, given I'm still in Labour, I need to keep thinking of them as people who I need to win back.