Westminstenders: The only way forward is up.

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A new thread as the other one is getting full. I'm enjoying the post election discussion. Every view is listened to and welcomed.

Brexit is happening, but what kind of Brexit will it be?

New leaderships for both Labour and the LibDems.

Most importantly, will Britain be Great in 2024?

I’d consider that BINO placemats, certainly not hard Brexit

Ed Vaizey - history. Stood down at the last minute so a faceless Tory apparatchik was parachuted in. I was at his Count on Thursday night - he made such and impression...... that I can't even remember what he looked like.

Now the Labour candidate who stood in my Constituency in 2017 did make a good impression and I can still picture her, and wish Labour had found her a seat she was likely to win in.

Always radio silence from the vermin when you ask for detail

likely benefits of having a Conservative government for the next 5 years

Here's a start:

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-to-enshrine-34bn-nhs-spending-pledge-into-law-11887014

Boris Johnson's pledge to raise spending on the NHS by almost £34bn by 2023-24 will be enshrined into law on Thursday.

The prime minister is expected to use the first Queen's Speech of the new parliament to underline commitments made during his victorious general election campaign to support the health service.

The Conservatives said it would be the first time any government has made a legally binding spending commitment over several years.

There you are - a shedload of money flowing into the NHS, which will be good for patients and excellent politics too. If Labour can no longer whine at every election about the NHS going to ruin under the Tories, the main plank of their last 20 campaigns will disappear into dust...

Cendrillon I'm pretty sure a lot of posters knew what was coming.

Hoping takes many forms, especially if you are working to try and bring about a different outcome - compartmentalisation is, I think, a technique of hope.

M8, you gloat.

If you want to join in, properly, pitch right in.

I'm actually well and truly open to some perspectives from the right as to where we're headed now.

Brexit is inevitable. What is your preferred Brexit and long-term outcome?

Likewise you, Bear.

All you guys have to lose is the mystery around your political-positioning.

And - if you don't play - then, yes, we know your just goady.

And those people are boring as fuck.

Wasnt that 34bn already to be less money in real terms due to inflation?

There you are - a shedload of money flowing into the NHS
from where ?

Bear Welcome. Genuinely. It's cool to have your views.

Cendrillon I saw the headlines about the law thing and thought the very same thing: Bang goes a Labour manifesto staple.

But ... let's see what that law looks like in the nitty gritty.

Still, it's a canny way to start.

cat I’m not sure what you mean either

I’ve said I don’t believe Brexit will actually be a big deal now

Yes, it’s going to be more shite than what we have now but that’s long been a given

What’s gone away is the political wrangling which led to all the cries about ‘democracy’

I honestly believe a soft Brexit will now follow

You get no credit for promising to spend more on the NHS. There is a growing population that is ageing. You need to spend more and more every year just to keep still. Add to that the new treatments and drugs that keep sick people alive for longer, and NHS inflation always runs ahead of the RPI, CPI or any other index you care to invent.

That wasn't the plan. Bevan thought that as the sick were treated, the demand for healthcare would progressively reduce over time. That could happen if govt. policy addressed the causes of ill health; poverty, poor housing, bad environment, stress, chips, smoking, boozing, drug-taking, more chips, etc. But the govt. that takes people's chips away is unlikely to enjoy re-election.

Boris Johnson's pledge to raise spending on the NHS by almost £34bn by 2023-24 will be enshrined into law on Thursday.

From the man who is a born liar - I will believe it when I see it. If he does deliver, well and good. But he is the sort of man who if he told you the sun had risen, you would go outside to check, and then find that it was still pitch dark outside.

Sorry @Bearbehind, but I have yet to be convinced the Tories themselves are a viable alternative.

Ah well, Plan B it is.

Always radio silence from the vermin when you asked for detail

It’s getting a bit tiresome for Tory voters to be called ‘vermin’

I was tempted to report it but, on balance, I think it’s better to let it stand

but I have yet to be convinced the Tories themselves are a viable alternative

They are more viable than Labour are - that’s how bad Labour are!

PMK with new rescue chickens, espcially for tobee who asked! If I cant save the world/the UK/our economy, at least I can make life better for a few chooks. Who came out of what is called a 'free range' farm, are weak, feeble and mostly bald, and at 72 weeks old are no longer expected to lay an egg a day and therefore not financially viable (I can almost see a parallel with our new govt). Did you know, the worst farms, ie those which still do the bare minimum care wise, no longer allow rescue organisations to rehome their birds because they emerge in such bad conditions - they go straight to slaughter instead.

I'm really over insults like 'vermin', too.

Stop it, Just.

just when you start referring to people as vermin you lose the argument.

You have been on here long enough. You know many of is voted and you know our reasons.

I lent 'your' party my vote this time. I won't make that mistake again if there aren't changes.

BTW it was my party too - but its felt very unwelcoming lately. I'm no longer proper working class Just like Jess Phillip's isn't

I honestly saw that today. She is not working class as she has to say her parents were born in a council house.

FFS what the fuck is working class. I wasn't born in a council house either but my parents were blue collar working class who worked bloody hard for everything they had.

If their efforts in getting me an education means that I am no longer wanted by the Labour party - fine.

Nye Bevan never said Tories were vermin.

He said that for some of us, some of them will always be lower than vermin.

Wonder if Johnson will be charged re arcruri/macintyre before 31/1/20, probably not, though I wonder what odds I could get on bj not being pm this time next year.

Tell me @CendrillonSings and @Bearbehind, why are you here, if not to gloat? You know perfectly well you have nothing in common with regular posters, you know you’re not going to change our minds, but you both know full well that you’re rubbing our noses in your victory. Why can’t you be gracious and just bugger off?

Hopefully, the Acuri corruption charges can be stalled long enough for the new people's judiciary to be safely installed and Lady Hale sent to Guantanamo.

How exactly did ignoring posters who told you far in advance that Labour was heading for a massive defeat and why it was going to happen work out for you?

Everyone here knew we were heading for a Tory win. Opinion polls and all.

Some were hoping for a hung Parliament. I never thought it was very likely.

Pmk

I honestly believe a soft Brexit will now follow

Good luck with that.