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Westminstenders: "They are ahead in the polls"

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2019 18:39

The nominations are in!

A reminder about polling...

... And its significance in this election.

In 2017 YouGov got it right. They did two types of poll. One was a general poll which was done on regional polling. Early versions of this during the campaign discounted the don't knows. Later ones guesstimated how the don't knows would vote. This polling turned out to be close to the result but not exact.

The other poll you Gov did was on a constituency level. It was right before the election and it proved to be the most accurate of all, until we saw John Curtice's exit poll (which was spot on).

This time around YouGov have just switched to a constituency version of their polling because its much more complex this time with various pacts in action. They will be promoting respondents on the basis of who is standing in their constituency.

I'm not aware of other pollsters and their methodology but YouGov is interesting because of how close they were to the result last time.

This time around we are also seeing the active use of polling to lead voters, rather than necessarily reflect it. The Lib Dems and Remain have done a lot in what they see as key marginals to aid their credibility as realistic challengers. It's a more sophisticated version of their infamous, 'Only the LDs can beat X here' barcharts of shame. But it's unlikely they will be the only ones to try and use the technique. They probably will just be a little more transparent about it.

John Curtice has gone on record as saying there are only two realistic outcomes for the election: A Tory Majority or a Hung Parliament.

For the Tories to win they need a significant lead in the polls. To be sure probably 10% lead because of the regionality and constituency anomalies. Anything less than 6 or 7 percentage ahead and it tips to a hung parliament. YouGov currently have them on 13pt lead... BUT that's without fully accounting for the 1/5 of voters who are currently undecided. Last time around those who decided at the last moment tipped heavily in favour of Labour rather than the Conservatives.

Who stays at home, or who spoils a ballot could have particular significance this time around as disenchanted voters are made up of a higher number of voters who do usually vote than usual and a broken tribalism. Thus making it more difficult to predict than ever before.

So be a bit wary of polls and what they show - and what they don't show...

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2019 11:11

" free dental check-ups for everyone"

I meant to post yesterday that would be the best "free stuff" that Labour could offer

It is a historical anomaly that dentists were not included when the NHS was founded
We now know that gum disease / poor dental health increases the risk of heart disease

Some of those who can't get on an NHS list also can't afford to go private and are suffering years of pain, losing teeth, even pulling out teeth themselves

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 11:12

Diane Abbott
@HackneyAbbott
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Michael Gove is completely wrong to say people from EU are accessing the NHS without 'paying in'.

EU workers pay taxes.

The NHS is not a contributory system.

This is how it begins - the Tory project to undermine the NHS, by bashing and blaming migrants first.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2019 11:14

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/16/view-from-belfast-loyalists-for-corbyn-republicans-cheering-tories

“What Johnson proposes in terms of an all-Ireland economy arguably advances the cause of Irish unity more effectively than the abstention, armed struggle and episodic participation which have characterised republican tactics over the years,”

Jon Tonge, a political analyst, wrote in the Belfast Telegraph

“All-Ireland regulation of goods? Tick.

An All-Ireland customs regime, even if Northern Ireland formally remains with the UK’s? Tick.

Goods travelling between Great Britain and Northern Ireland treated as exports not internal trade, if likely to head onwards to the EU? Tick.

Unionists apoplectic about what they see as the marginalisation of Northern Ireland within the UK? Tick.”

FadingStar · 17/11/2019 11:49

Yet they will STILL vote for the DUP even though they were the ones who manoeuvred this, albeit by accident/lack of foresight.

FadingStar · 17/11/2019 11:49

The apoplectic unionists, I mean. Not republicans.Grin

squid4 · 17/11/2019 12:10

Just drove past a huge piece of M1 bridge graffiti- BARNSLEY DOESN'T BELIEVE YOUR BULLSHIT BORIS.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 12:17

Practicing your Russian yet cendrillion? oh wait youre probably fluent you know what with working in a Russian bot farm and all that

Boris Johnson met an ex-KGB agent during a highly controversial trip to attend a party two days after attending a high-level Nato summit that focused on Russia, the Observer can reveal.

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/17/boris-johnson-met-alexander-lebedev-without-security-after-nato-summit

Alsohuman · 17/11/2019 12:54

Love it, squid.

Labour’s playing a blinder right now. I read somewhere that 62% of people asked liked the broadband idea and free dental checks are motherhood and apple pie. Focus on stuff that affects everyone every day.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 12:56

Im looking forward to reading the manifesto on thursday and then the following complete meltdown of right wingers on MN

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 13:05

Flawed reporting on antisemitism claims against the Labour party

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/30/flawed-reporting-on-antisemitism-claims-against-the-labour-party

DGRossetti · 17/11/2019 13:16

nation.cymru/news/third-of-welsh-conservative-candidates-live-outside-of-wales/

A third of Conservative general election candidates for Welsh constituencies live outside the country.

(contd)

Bet they haven't even tried to integrate either. Mam-chwilwyr rhagrithiol.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 13:22

Im not sure mother-seekers works DG think it would be more like mam-rhywiwr rhagrithiol unless yours just wasnt profane enough for me Grin

DGRossetti · 17/11/2019 13:23

www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/18039753.mr-clacton-brexit-name-change-bid-foiled/

AN election candidate who wanted to change his name to Mr Clacton Brexit has been told the moniker will not be allowed to appear on the ballot paper.

Andrew Morgan, 52, from Clacton, changed his name by deed poll to Andrew Morgan Clacton-Brexitparty in a bid to ensure 'Brexit' remained on the ticket.

He decided to stand after being left upset when Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage announced the party would not be standing in 317 Conservative-held seats - including in Clacton - at the General Election.

After being told the new name does not comply with election rules, Mr Morgan will stand under his original name as an independent

He said: “They have accepted my papers, but have said they don’t agree with my argument over the name.

“They are not going to allow it, so I’m going to stand as Andrew Morgan.

“With the law of deed poll if you don’t use the name – sending off a passport or driving licence – within three to six months then its not classes as you taking that name.

“It was a bit of a waste of time, but I’ve made a point.”

Ian Davidson, acting returning officer for the Clacton constituency, said legal advice had been taken in relation to the acceptance or otherwise of nominations for the upcoming General Election.

“Although empowered as I am as acting returning officer, I felt it prudent to seek independent legal advice before making any decision; that advice was clear and unequivocal, and underpins my decision,” he said.

Alsohuman · 17/11/2019 13:27

It was a bit of a waste of time, but I’ve made a point.

Yup, the point that he’s an idiot. What I actually think he is might offend.

Peregrina · 17/11/2019 13:39

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP, has said he feels “very silly” for speaking at a black tie dinner hosted by a man who advocates the repatriation of "non-indigenous" Britons, despite being warned of the group’s far-Right links.

Very silly for doing it, or very silly that he has been exposed for doing it?

HesterThrale · 17/11/2019 13:48

The Arcuri interview is on ITV at 11pm today.

I wonder if Johnson is hoping that some of the heat/spotlight on it might be neutralised by the reaction to Prince Andrew’s car crash interview?
Fortuitous timing for him?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 13:52

I know some on here will find this as funny as I did

Mallow News
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Pic: Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson prepares to bury a child alive in order to prove her party is fit to go into coalition with the Conservatives

Westminstenders: "They are ahead in the polls"
DGRossetti · 17/11/2019 13:54

I wonder if Johnson is hoping that some of the heat/spotlight on it might be neutralised by the reaction to Prince Andrew’s car crash interview?

Hmm

I know TAATs aren't the done thing, but it's quite disturbing how many people - on Mumsnet of all places - appear to be quite happy to line up to provide the sort of justifications that most sex offenders can only dream of ... some very unpleasant comments about how old girls can look, and that consent seems to be a bit of a grey area Shock.

ListeningQuietly · 17/11/2019 13:56

Justanother
Yup that picture is rather splendid

Jo Swinson has a majority of 5339
Boris Johnson has a majority of 5034

I wonder if they will both still be in post this time next month ....

Alsohuman · 17/11/2019 14:02

I wonder if Johnson is hoping that some of the heat/spotlight on it might be neutralised by the reaction to Prince Andrew’s car crash interview?

It’s probably a vain hope. It will reinforce the appalling behaviour of privileged middle aged men and their sexual incontinence. Remember Johnson’s on record supporting PA’s relationship with Weinstein. The timing couldn’t really be worse.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 14:10

Revealed: Tories planning five more years of public service pay cuts
11 Nov 2019

www.gmb.org.uk/news/revealed-tories-planning-five-more-years-public-service-pay-cuts

Violetparis · 17/11/2019 14:50

Alsohuman I also wonder if Johnson will be associated with Prince Andrew in the sense of elite, over priviledged men abusing their position of power. Both of them are repulsive.

DGRossetti · 17/11/2019 15:01

Alsohuman I also wonder if Johnson will be associated with Prince Andrew in the sense of elite, over priviledged men abusing their position of power. Both of them are repulsive.

In days gone by Hmm some mothers (and/or fathers) would be pimping throwing their daughters at them ...

HesterThrale · 17/11/2019 15:06

Good advice when your hair is on fire...

Jon Worth
@jonworth
I’m setting myself a sort of rest-of-the-campaign resolution for #ge2019
I’m not going to blame the half sensible parties (Labour, Lib Dem, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens) for stupidity towards each other.
I’m going to instead redouble my efforts to get tactical voting to work!

...And to get more people registered to vote.

www.network.vote/

mobile.twitter.com/jonworth/status/1196047539289698304

Ellie56 · 17/11/2019 15:10

Having difficulty deciding which one of Bozo and PA is the most odious.

How embarrassing for all their children.