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Westminstenders: "They are ahead in the polls"

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2019 18:39

The nominations are in!

A reminder about polling...

... And its significance in this election.

In 2017 YouGov got it right. They did two types of poll. One was a general poll which was done on regional polling. Early versions of this during the campaign discounted the don't knows. Later ones guesstimated how the don't knows would vote. This polling turned out to be close to the result but not exact.

The other poll you Gov did was on a constituency level. It was right before the election and it proved to be the most accurate of all, until we saw John Curtice's exit poll (which was spot on).

This time around YouGov have just switched to a constituency version of their polling because its much more complex this time with various pacts in action. They will be promoting respondents on the basis of who is standing in their constituency.

I'm not aware of other pollsters and their methodology but YouGov is interesting because of how close they were to the result last time.

This time around we are also seeing the active use of polling to lead voters, rather than necessarily reflect it. The Lib Dems and Remain have done a lot in what they see as key marginals to aid their credibility as realistic challengers. It's a more sophisticated version of their infamous, 'Only the LDs can beat X here' barcharts of shame. But it's unlikely they will be the only ones to try and use the technique. They probably will just be a little more transparent about it.

John Curtice has gone on record as saying there are only two realistic outcomes for the election: A Tory Majority or a Hung Parliament.

For the Tories to win they need a significant lead in the polls. To be sure probably 10% lead because of the regionality and constituency anomalies. Anything less than 6 or 7 percentage ahead and it tips to a hung parliament. YouGov currently have them on 13pt lead... BUT that's without fully accounting for the 1/5 of voters who are currently undecided. Last time around those who decided at the last moment tipped heavily in favour of Labour rather than the Conservatives.

Who stays at home, or who spoils a ballot could have particular significance this time around as disenchanted voters are made up of a higher number of voters who do usually vote than usual and a broken tribalism. Thus making it more difficult to predict than ever before.

So be a bit wary of polls and what they show - and what they don't show...

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 08:45

Nationalising water, energy and Royal Mail would pay for itself within seven years, research says

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nationalise-royal-mail-energy-water-savings-bills-national-grid-a9203636.html

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 08:48

That kinda sounds like continued austerity to me

i newspaper
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Liberal Democrats say government should run permanent spending surplus in dig at Tories and Labour
inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-2019-liberal-democrats-permanent-spending-surplus-1047923

HunkyDory69 · 17/11/2019 08:59

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twofingerstoEverything · 17/11/2019 09:00

obviously going to be communist dental checks

Venezuelan dental checks, I think you'll find.

Motheroffourdragons · 17/11/2019 09:07

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Random18 · 17/11/2019 09:19

Even on the NHS the cost of dental treatment can be quite prohibitive.

A free dental check would help as it would possibly prevent some issues before they get serious.

I regularly go to the dentist and my teeth aren't brilliant. But I've never had a really big bill, just a filling here or there etc.

I was lucky the last time to have a veneer fall out the same week as I got a positive pregnancy test Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 09:21

rachel shabi
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Nothing is more revealing of how our commentariat have internalised the logic of free market capitalism than the depiction of government funded public services, healthcare and amenities as unacceptable “free stuff”

DrBlackbird · 17/11/2019 09:22

Just you're right to point out that the lack of MSM challenge is reserved only for Tories...

theconversation.com/uk-election-2019-partisan-press-is-pulling-out-all-the-stops-against-labour-127133

Oakenbeach · 17/11/2019 09:24

@JustAnotherPoster00

And yet not borrowing for day-to-day spend but only borrowing for investment was the mantra of all political parties, including Labour, until 2017! It only became austerity as the Government sought to stick to this principle in the wake of the 2008 financial crash.

It makes sense for the LDs to do this, and differentiate themselves from what is increasingly being seen as a spending race between Labour and Tories. You may disagree with them, but they know that you and your likeminded friends are a lost cause electorally!

DrBlackbird · 17/11/2019 09:24

A picture is worth a thousand words?

Westminstenders: "They are ahead in the polls"
Oakenbeach · 17/11/2019 09:29

Just you're right to point out that the lack of MSM challenge is reserved only for Tories...

The only positive (unless you are Tory) is that the MSM is less and less important as circulations plummet. The MSM were equally as punishing in 2017, but didn’t have the intended impact over the course of the campaign. Social media is far more important.

Alsohuman · 17/11/2019 09:29

According to this morning’s Telegraph every Tory candidate is required to sign a pledge to back the Johnson deal if elected. Mind you it’s come from No 10 so it could well be the latest lie. How would that be enforced?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 09:32

How would that be enforced?

Party expulsion probably

Peregrina · 17/11/2019 09:34

Whipping then party expulsion. Most of the moderates have been thrown out anyway.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 09:36

Tory Fibs
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The interview Boris Johnson prayed to God would never happen has just dropped.

twitter.com/i/status/1195996490566639616

Peregrina · 17/11/2019 09:45

No, it won't damage him - if already having the Police called about domestic violence didn't, why should this?

Motheroffourdragons · 17/11/2019 09:54

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 10:39

Jacob Rees-Mogg's shock at dinner with group that want to repatriate black Britons

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP, has said he feels “very silly” for speaking at a black tie dinner hosted by a man who advocates the repatriation of "non-indigenous" Britons, despite being warned of the group’s far-Right links.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10230962/Jacob-Rees-Moggs-shock-at-dinner-with-group-that-want-to-repatriate-black-Britons.html

MockersthefeMANist · 17/11/2019 10:42

Four years of "IT Lessons," apparently.

www.itv.com/news/2019-11-17/jennifer-arcuri-boris-johnson-cast-me-aside-as-if-i-were-a-gremlin/

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 10:45

Hungry children 'eating from school bins' in Morecambe

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-46827360

I'm sure our right wing posters would say that future entrepreneurship right there Hmm

We've allowed this country to get to a disgusting state and its Jeremy Corbyn thats going to take us into being a third world country?

Were already there

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 10:47

has said he feels “very silly”

Im guessing that reply from Corbyn would make the country explode

Violetparis · 17/11/2019 10:48

Jennifer Arcuri saying she kept Boris Johnson's secrets, hope she spills them.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/11/2019 10:52

No racism or anti immigrant in the Tory party move on, nothing to see here

The Conservatives have set out more details of their plans for immigration after Brexit, saying migrants will be treated equally regardless of where they come from.

The cost for migrants to use the NHS would also rise, while the rules on claiming benefits - which currently favour EU nationals - would change.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50449039