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Westminstenders: The end of tribalism

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2019 00:55

There are signs that traditional party alignment might well have broken.

The Tories have split, labour are pretending they have not.

The pattern so far seems to be closely following the EU. This favours a Tory majority.

A long way to go.

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AutumnCrow · 09/11/2019 01:02

Hi Red, and thanks for the thread(s).

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2019 01:06

James Mitchinson @Jaymitchinson
Not a national emergency - tomorrow’s splash.

Jennifer Williams@jenwilliamsMEN
That’s a belting front page. I’m increasingly confused by the PM’s strategy to win the north

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2019 01:07

Not happy with Nigel...

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BlackeyedSusan · 09/11/2019 01:27

Pmk. Thanks. Every thread it is I will try to keep up with this one. Every thread I fail to keep up.

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 09/11/2019 01:32

Ditto Susan, determined to stick with this one!

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/11/2019 01:41

Thanks Red.

tobee · 09/11/2019 01:44

Thanks Red.

Place marking from the Night Bus.

dreichwinter · 09/11/2019 02:07

PMK

PeninsulaPanic · 09/11/2019 02:13

So the Daily Mail is advocating tactical voting to ensure a Tory majority. We're doomed Sad

lonelyplanetmum · 09/11/2019 05:27

PMK. Thank you.

Westminstenders: The end of tribalism
TokyoSushi · 09/11/2019 06:15

PMK thanks!!

QueenOfThorns · 09/11/2019 06:53

I wish more people would vote tactically. Hopefully all these Lib Dem votes will be in constituencies they actually win and not Lab-Con marginals, handing them to the Tories.

Regarding voting mirroring the EP elections, I voted LD then, but I’m going back to Labour now they’re off the fence on Brexit. I hope I’m not the only one.

squid4 · 09/11/2019 07:07

Does anyone have any hope?
Work is very tough.
DP is making noises about whether I need to quit if there's a Tory majority. Get off the sinking ship. I think a lot of doctors and nurses feel the same. so many have already left, and the more that leave the worse it gets.

What can I do? I've signed up to help with some labour campaigning, but I'm in a very safe seat here, and I work a lot of shifts and don't have a lot of spare time

Hoooo · 09/11/2019 07:21

Pmk

Sostenueto · 09/11/2019 07:26

Pmk
Morning to all.

TheCaddyisaBaddie · 09/11/2019 07:26

Pmk

DGRossetti · 09/11/2019 07:29

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DGRossetti · 09/11/2019 07:34

Kinda chimes with my thoughts - possibly Boris best decision may yet be to have said "Non" to Farage ...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/08/farage-brexit-party-politician

theguardian.com
Farage is the homeopathic politician: he has a memory of an idea but no trace | John Crace
John Crace
5-6 minutes

There were more security guards outside the Little Mill village hall in south Wales than there were people trying to get in. Once inside, it became clear why. They were trying to do everyone a favour by keeping them out. An hour or so that nobody unlucky enough to be there would ever get back. Six months ago, a Brexit party rally could be guaranteed to have a certain energy. The thrill of the new, if nothing else. No more. This one would have died on its feet if it hadn’t already been dead on arrival.

Normally it’s shopping channel 3am graveyard slot presenter Richard Tice who gets wheeled out to compere these events. But with Tice otherwise engaged, hastily mugging up where Hartlepool is on the map and taking lessons in how to talk to northern people, before he announces he is standing to be MP there on Monday, it was Brexit party MEP, Nathan Gill who did the honours. A man who somehow manages to have even less charisma than Tice. The go-to person for the de-motivational speech.

Within seconds of Gill opening his mouth, any life there had been in the hall had been sucked out by his bland monotone. “We’re here because we’re here,” he told the two people who were still awake. Speak for yourself, Nathan.

Next up was Ann Widdecombe going through her usual Ann Widdecombe Strictly Come Dancing tribute act. Betrayal, treachery, surrender. It was an improvement on Gill, though not much. Die-hard old Tories – even ones now promising to destroy the EU – who did much to destroy parts of Wales are still greeted with suspicion in constituencies such as this one of Torfaen, which is held by Labour with a majority of over 10,000. Her main argument for Brexit was that it was what the animals would have wanted.

Then out came Mark Reckless, the former Tory turned UKIP MP for Rochester who lost his seat in 2015 and has accidentally ended up as the Brexit party leader in the Welsh assembly. At least I assume it’s by accident. No one who had actually spent more than 30 seconds with Reckless would knowingly stay longer. Reckless is someone who makes Mr Bean appear both coherent and charismatic. A man who has become his own art installation. A monument to mediocrity. Yet another failure for nominative determinism.

“Hu-lo,” he said, in a nasal whine. Most of the audience swivelled round, anxiously looking for the exits. Unfortunately they were all now barricaded in by the security guards who had originally tried to keep them out. “I want to talk you through clause 121 section six,” Reckless mumbled. Kill me now. Hell would be getting stuck in a room with both him and Gill talking over one another.

Inevitably, the main attraction was Nigel Farage. To all intents and purposes, he is the Brexit party. Without him the rest would be nothing. Or less than nothing in Reckless’s case. The Sunbed God – Nige has learned well from Donald Trump – came out on stage with a fixed smile that increasingly looks painted on. He is the one-time star, whose only gig is now a bottom of the bill residency in Las Vegas, playing to audiences who have dropped in out of curiosity in between hours at the slots. He is the homeopathic politician. The man with the memory of an idea but no actual measurable trace.

Farage had hoped it would be different this time round on the comeback trail. And at first it was. He drew the big crowds and Westminster was scared of him. But now his bluff has been called. Boris Johnson isn’t going to play ball with a no deal/leave alliance and the game is all but up. And Farage knows it. His people know it. His heart just isn’t in it anymore. He can still talk the talk but he can’t be arsed to walk the walk. So his patter increasingly sounds tired and formulaic. He only continues because he’s worried he may no longer exist if he stops.

The most telling moment came right at the end when he was asked why he wasn’t standing to be an MP. Farage mumbled something about leaders leading better from the back, but his eyes told a different story. He had had enough. He was punch-drunk. No longer able to pretend to himself that a handful of supporters at a village lunchtime gig in Wales were really his people. Or that he gave much of a shit. The facade had cracked.

There was so much more to life than this. Why keep on with the establishment anti-establishment clown politician routine? There was no money or glory to be found there anymore. He was wasted on the UK. He would go back to the alt-right US chat show circuit. That’s where the big bucks were. That’s where he would really make his name. Just hang on till after the election. Then like a bat out of hell, he’d be gone, gone, gone. Nige was dead. Long live the Nige.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/11/2019 07:36

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Random18 · 09/11/2019 07:37

Squid I don't believe the polls.

I agree with Nigel! Did I just say that Grin

I can't see the Tories winning labour leave seats even if the do want Brexit. It just goes against everything they believe, everything that is drummed in from a young age.

I may be wrong but they are complete numpties if they inflict a tory govt on themselves.

The Tories I suspect will be wiped out in Scotland. It's happened before.

And seats will go in london etc.

They may be the biggest party but I can't see them having a majority.

RHTawneyonabus · 09/11/2019 07:37

I keep seeing the dismal news of the Tory campaign and wondering how they could possibly win - then I remember that other people are seeing completely different Self selected news with different messages.

borntobequiet · 09/11/2019 07:38

PMK
Good morning from a sunny warm place. (I’ve been abroad more than usual this year, largely due to mild despair. I know I’m lucky to be able to but I did spend many years not able to travel/unable to afford foreign holidays at all...the situation in the U.K. seems even more like unnecessary madness from here.)

borntobequiet · 09/11/2019 07:41

Oh and I still don’t believe the polls either.

Hoooo · 09/11/2019 07:41

Morning

OhYouBadBadKitten · 09/11/2019 07:51

The weather is certainly going to be hampering campaigning in places.
More heavy rain (not on the scale of Yorkshire) forecast for many today, with warnings out for Northern Ireland and parts of southern England today.

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