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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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BercowsPoliticalPumpkin · 06/11/2019 23:35

Welcome back! Smile

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 23:35

I must admit to being amused by the LDS doing what DGR said the purpose of polling was and using them to manipulate / nudge the vote in their target constituencies by showing a new variation of 'only the LDs can beat X here'.

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BercowsPoliticalPumpkin · 06/11/2019 23:37

I was going to sleep 2 hours ago or else was going to read my book. Fail. Must sleep now. Night all.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/11/2019 23:37

Thanks, red 💐

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

boatyardblues · 06/11/2019 23:37

Evening all. I know BCF has asked for the duplicate thread to be pulled, but I liked the title. Thanks again to all the stalwarts for your efforts.

Miljea · 06/11/2019 23:40

Bercows 😉 shhhh!

BigChocFrenzy · 06/11/2019 23:40

Pretty Yep, I've been warning of what happened to Argentina who made some foolish decisions in the 1920s & 1930s:
they went from one of the wealthiest per capita countries to a political and economic basket case

BigChocFrenzy · 06/11/2019 23:42

boatyard From the way things are going, that title can be recyled anytime !

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 23:45

Peston@peston
Greater Manchester Mayor @andyburnhamGM insists the North - South divide is a much bigger than Remain vs. Leave. #Peston

Would I agree with this?

To a certain degree yes. There is definitely a cultural difference.

But perhaps more importantly an economic one.

Only people moving up from London can afford a family house in certain places and this is happening in a wider and wider area. It's displacing locals. There is also the rental issue where cheap houses have been bought up by southerners who are able to do so due to larger equity increases in the south.

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Miljea · 06/11/2019 23:45

BCF I think it's also a part of British (English) exceptionalism.

Oh no, we'd never have juntas, or military take-overs, or Strong Man Leaderships like those colourful South American types do, as their peasantry revolt, would we? Oh no, we wouldn't'!

Unless it's for the good of the proletariat, like proroguing Parliament. As a single example, among a growing clusterfuck of many.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 23:47

Nicola Bartlett @nicolarbartlett
Hearing Unite are already coalescing behind Laura Pidcock for deputy Labour leader.

Well if you want someone to make Jo Swinson look good, this isn't a bad way to go.

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prettybird · 06/11/2019 23:49

You're right Miljea - many most? will refuse to see the parallels with Argentina because.....

"We're not like them..."
"We're too sophisticated a market"
"We're cleverer than them" (©️ Smug/Andrew Bridgen)
"It would never happen to us"
"They're not important"
"The rest of the world won't let it happen to us"

I'm sure the Argentinians said similar back in the early 20th century, never imagining how easy it would be to squander their natural advantages Sad

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 23:49

Electoral Remain Pact includes Oxford West and Abingdon. Believe that's Layla Moron getting a clear shot at being reelected by the Greens.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 23:50

Sorry I typed Layla Moran and my phone has autocorrected. That was accidental.

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tobee · 06/11/2019 23:53

🧐

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 23:56

Question: If Brexit is a microwave meal as Johnson says, is it a Rustlers Burger, a Sainsbury own brand curry for 2 box, a Cook Moroccan Spiced Tagine or some other meal?

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Miljea · 06/11/2019 23:59

bercows admiring your canon in the upsidedown. Genuinely. But that engagement 'did for me', in an upsetting way. Hence my 'walk'. 😉

But needed to ask about carpet repair elsewhere, so recalibrated and recognised, like in the EU, there is more good than foul to be found there, as on here.

boatyardblues · 07/11/2019 00:00

Red, it’s instant mash.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 00:18

It's an odd time for Watson to quit, at the start of a GE campaign

if he firmly believes Corbyn is going to lose, one might expect he'd want to hang on and be kingmaker afterwards
However, he united the Blairites and Brownites to keep out the left, so he may think his work is done and that the next leader will be a younger moderate

5 years of Brexit looks like more fresh hell, whether in govt or Opposition

What may have been the final factor that decided him to quit now,
is to avoid the quite likely humiliation of losing his seat to the Tories

His majority at West Bromwich East was nearly 8,000
BUT:

  • He has been one of the fiercest campaigners for a PV, but his constituents voted 68% Leave
  • He's on the Labour right and George Galloway was standing against him, so he'd lose some votes to the left
  • Harvey Proctor too - although a Tory, he'd get some sympathy as an innocent victim: Watson believed the lying "Nick" and pressured police to investigate Proctor for serious offences
  • The Tories had his seat marked as one of their targets

==> "Tory chiefs confident they can oust Labour’s deputy leader Tom Watson in December general election"

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10271765/tory-oust-labours-tom-watson/amp/?

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 00:19

What makes it unlikely he'd try to form a new party is that he couldn't lead it without a seat, which he can't get now

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 00:28

Tom Watson has done his duty – he has ensured there will be a Labour Party after Jeremy Corbyn

I forgot that he was a major force pushing the more traditional Labour Brown to replace NewLab Blair
That plot didn't end well either

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/tom-watson-resignation-labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-constituency-election-a9188456.html

The surprise resignation of Labour’s deputy leader marks a transition to the next stage of the party’s evolution

Of all the power centres in the Labour Party, the deputy leadership was key to the internal resistance to Jeremy Corbyn.

The Corbynites had the leadership, the membership and the biggest trade union.
Eventually they had the National Executive.

But they never had local government, especially the big city regions (London, Manchester, Liverpool, Sheffield).

They never had the parliamentary party:
80 per cent of Labour MPs are non-Corbynites, although many of them have made their accommodations with the new order.
......
In 2006, Watson was the lead conspirator in the plot to force Tony Blair from office.

He resigned as a junior defence minister
and led the foolish chorus calling for a prime minister who had just won a third election to “set a timetable” for his departure.

When he succeeded in getting Gordon Brown in, it started the decay of the Labour Party that led by stages to its transformation into something that he cannot have wanted.

But Watson seems to have felt a duty to try to save something from the wreckage he had helped to create
and so, for the past four years, he has been the leader of the opposition to the leader of the opposition.

tobee · 07/11/2019 00:46

Just remembered that Zahawi said in reply to Andrew Neil that the minister for housing was doing some "serious work " on building affordable housing. And it struck me as such a Johnson phrase.

Doing "serious work!" translates as "doing nothing. Can't be arsed" in Johnson crapspeak

ArseDarkly · 07/11/2019 00:49

Not so surprised at Tom Watson's resignation. I hope Yvette Cooper gets the role

Same here, wonder what the chances are?

placemats · 07/11/2019 00:55

I need to go to bed, but Darkly, I think a moderating force is much needed to fill the vacuum and I do think that this will prevail within the Labour Party.

ArseDarkly · 07/11/2019 01:07

Yes and Cooper would be a much better moderating force than Watson placemats, far less self-serving and publicity hungry.

I think a lot of us are suffering MN-attributable sleep deprivation!Smile

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