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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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Jux · 07/11/2019 08:05

I don't understand what's going on in Westminster. How have we got to a point where someone like Austin can urge people to vote for the Tories? I've never seen anything like it. Even when the knives were out for Thatcher, no Tory suggested people should vote Labour.

InMySpareTime · 07/11/2019 08:15

Question: If Brexit is a microwave meal as Johnson says, is it ...

It's Christmas dinner in a tin, everything from turkey and sprouts to pudding and custard.
Everything that people asked for but all mixed together so nobody actually gets anything nice.
Added to which he'll leave it in the tin when he microwaves it so it sparks and explodes, destroying both the tinned deal and the microwave.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 08:41

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Congratulations to the Tories for selecting a man, Nick Conrad, who said maybe rape victims should “keep their knickers on” as a parliamentary candidate. theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

Violetparis · 07/11/2019 08:43

Why isn't Ian Austin urging people to vote Lib Dem or Green ? Clearly, racism in the Tory party not an issue for him.

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 08:47

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prettybird · 07/11/2019 08:49

Because he's an arch Brexiter. Obviously more important to him than anything else Angry

Violetparis · 07/11/2019 08:51

I like Laura Pidcock too but think she is too inexperienced to take on the role of Deputy Leader at the moment. I'd be happy with Yvette Cooper or Kier Starmer. I think a mix of those on the left and those more moderates in leadership roles within the Labour Pary would be a good way forward. I like MPs in both camps including Corbyn, I've never trusted Tom Watson.

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 08:52

I don't understand what's going on in Westminster.

It's becoming irrelevant. When companies that are really small countries (unburdened by the considerable expense of having to fund an army) are able to tell governments around the world how it's going to be, why would anyone waste their time with an ineffectual institution such as Westminster.

Or Washington.

Just today www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/06/california_sues_facebook/

And there are any number of examples of Google, or Apple, or Microsoft telling elected governments to "do one" as they say in Liverpool.

If you remember Mark Zuckerberg giving evidence to the HoC select committee, you imagined it ....

Violetparis · 07/11/2019 08:52

Thanks Prettybird, I didn't know Austin was a Brexiteer, makes more sense now.

ElenadeClermont · 07/11/2019 08:53

prettybird But so is Corbyn.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 08:54

I've never trusted Tom Watson.

What pissed me off the most because I voted for the bugger to be DL because he said he was going to be the bridge between the Corbyn and Blair sides of the party, he then did nothing but brief against Corbyn and the parties policies

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 08:55

prettybird But so is Corbyn.

Any current evidence?

Violetparis · 07/11/2019 08:55

Corbyn is offering a second referendum whether he is a Brexiteer or not.

TheElementsSong · 07/11/2019 08:56

PMK with DCat giving DD a kiss.

Watson's departure reminds me of the other thing yesterday's canvasser said to me. We were agreeing that the local MP was generally very good and pro-European and so on... and then he added "And he's from the sensible part of the party, if you know what I mean" with a sort of little smiley-winky grimace. "Ah yes," I replied, grimacing back.

Westminstenders: Dissolved.
KanelbulleKing · 07/11/2019 08:57

pmk

Violetparis · 07/11/2019 08:58

Agree with you Just, never trusted Watson's motives.

prettybird · 07/11/2019 09:00

And Islamaphobia and "other" racism doesn't seem to matter to him if he's promoting BJ Angry

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 09:03

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Isn’t it astounding that the BBC are running some ex-Labour nobody saying Corbyn is unfit to be PM as their headline, but are completely ignoring the fact that the Father of the House in Commons and former Tory Chancellor now says he can’t bring himself to vote Tory anymore.
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icannotremember · 07/11/2019 09:04

Corbyn is a eurosceptic and probably would have preferred to leave. He is not a brexiteer and he is committed to a (soft brexit) deal vs remain referendum. He has not been stellar on Brexit to say the least, but to say he is an Austin style Brexiteer is just not accurate.

prettybird · 07/11/2019 09:04

Good point Just Hmm

bellinisurge · 07/11/2019 09:18

Dcat rocking her new stealth mode without a white eyebrow. Currently roosting on my shoulder like my secret devil.

Westminstenders: Dissolved.
BlackeyedSusan · 07/11/2019 09:20

Johnson's meal deal is oven ready, so he is going to bung it in the microwave in its foil tray and watch the sparks fly.

WhatwouldScoobyDoo · 07/11/2019 09:26

just yes I heard the R4 interview this morning and that was my thought exactly!

TokyoSushi · 07/11/2019 10:02

Late PMK!

ElenadeClermont · 07/11/2019 10:02

just You are right, I have no current evidence. icannotremember explained my views on Corbyn much better than my flippant remark.