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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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Hoooo · 08/11/2019 17:53

Ds1 is currently teaching himself about pre revolutionary Russia and civil war

Hoooo · 08/11/2019 17:55

Happy b day to your nephew tobee

I spoke at a local school today...the kids from 11-16.

I am hopeful for the future Smile

Emilyontmoor · 08/11/2019 18:04

DGR where did that come from ? Shock Grin

I was thinking more of

Mao modelling himself on the Qin Emperor and his legalistic philosophy that harsh punishments could keep the people in line and deliver effective government. Qin silenced criticism, burned books and killed scholars. Mao boasted he had killed more scholars than the Qin Emperor. See also Xi Junping who also likes to portray himself as a sage confucian emperor and his current silencing of criticism and especially academics, see also the developing situation in Hong Kong, and who exactly has taken to the streets ....

Deng Xiaopeng doing away with the iron rice bowl and unleashing a free market economy in 1976 with no checks or balances with the resultant unleashing of ancient evils like the commodification of people, and even their blood (taxed by government as an agricultural product even as people were infected by HIV)

Or even just look at an infrastructure project on a massive scale replacing the communist inspired rust bowl, with a largely SME driven economy that has taken China to second largest economy in the world

DGRossetti · 08/11/2019 18:09

Emilyontmoor

Just a vague brain dump without "hitting the wiki" (as almost nobody ever says Grin)

I know that the US and UK were "early adopters" of cosying up to PRC (hence my main memory being two giant pandas). Certainly it's why Nixon is more revered than reviled nowdays (apparently).

DGRossetti · 08/11/2019 18:13

LauraKwatch threw this up:

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/08/confusion-after-bbc-podcasts-attempt-to-define-shitposting-laura-kuenssberg

The BBC has been accused of shitposting on shitposting, after an attempt to explain the online term on a podcast left millennial viewers baffled.

During a discussion on Brexitcast, the flagship political podcast shown on BBC One on Thursday evening, the corporation’s political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, described the scatological phrase to her confused colleagues.

“Political parties or campaign groups make an advert that looks really rubbish and then people share it online saying, ‘Oh I can’t believe how shit this is’ and then it gets shared and shared and shared and shared and they go, ‘Ha ha ha, job done’.”

The explanation confused many, since it bears little relation to the more common usage of “shitposting”. The term is defined by Urban Dictionary as “the constant posting of mildly amusing but usually unfunny memes, videos or other pictures that are completely random or unrelated to any discussions”. That defines the term by a lack of effort, not intention: a shitpost is, first and foremost, a shit post.

(contd)

At least she really grills the big figures, when they cross her path. Otherwise you might wonder ...

TheMShip · 08/11/2019 18:21

Jess Phillips owning it again:

Today I met the man who a few weeks ago would have told you hated me, that he thought I hated him. Together we laughed together, talked about Brexit together, cared about each other and now we will work together. #restorativejustice #moreincommon

If only she was in line for deputy leader.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/11/2019 18:33

If only she was in line for deputy leader.

Hard pass from me Grin

Emilyontmoor · 08/11/2019 18:36

Certainly it's why Nixon is more revered than reviled nowdays (apparently). Nixon is one of the more interesting choices I have encountered made by Chinese people of a western name, along with Margerine.

SwedishEdith · 08/11/2019 18:43

Gauke stepping down as a Con MP - bit vague on whether stepping down completely but I guess he will.

twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1192859925506072576?s=20

SwedishEdith · 08/11/2019 18:48

I agree with pp that this is a Brexit GE and that is the focus of my voting (I'd vote the same way anyway) because Brexit is taking up so much Govt energy, none of the other issues will change/happen anyway.

SwedishEdith · 08/11/2019 18:53

Ha ha @ the best thing you can say about Brigden is "He's not as fat as he looks on tv."

tobee · 08/11/2019 18:55

Is there anyone even vaguely moderate staying in the Tory party? Sounds like a massive victory for the hard right to me. Vast yawning gap not looking likely to be filled.

tobee · 08/11/2019 18:57

All those defections/standing downs from the Tories not significant in the MSM. But Ian "bigwig" Hmm Austin is?

placemats · 08/11/2019 18:57

If only she, Jess Phillips, was the leader MShip

placemats · 08/11/2019 19:01

Johnson's disgraceful behaviour in Northern Ireland last night, at the Tayto factory in Tandragree (been there!) also ignored.

dreichwinter · 08/11/2019 19:07

I have a fair amount of time for Jess Philips.

I often enjoy her tweets.

CendrillonSings · 08/11/2019 19:09

All those defections/standing downs from the Tories not significant in the MSM. But Ian "bigwig" hmm Austin is?

How many ex-Tories are openly campaigning for Corbyn and the Labour Party to win? There's your answer.

BackInTime · 08/11/2019 19:09

The idea that Johnson might have touched your Taytos Shock

dreichwinter · 08/11/2019 19:14

It is noticeable that that several Tories have moved to the Lib Dems though and given the splits are focused around Brexit this is what I would expect. @CendrillonSings

CendrillonSings · 08/11/2019 19:20

Absolutely, but as far as I’m aware no ex-Tories are campaigning for Corbyn, whereas at least two former Labour MPs are campaigning for Boris (something almost unheard of for ex-MPs of the two major parties). That’s why it is, rightly, big news.

CendrillonSings · 08/11/2019 19:23

Plus it wouldn’t surprise me if the influx of ex-Tories and ex-Labourites (especially Chuka!) into the Lib Dems were not playing a huge role in Jo’s wise refusal to support a Corbyn premiership, so that’s a very welcome influence indeed.

SwedishEdith · 08/11/2019 19:27

Liz Truss was handling Portuguese custard tarts today without using the tongs Envy < not envy.

borntobequiet · 08/11/2019 19:35

Liz Truss handing out custard tarts is a disaster photo opportunity missed.

Hoooo · 08/11/2019 19:39

swedish
He's also very short.
I'm 5ft 5 and I think he's similar height as me

ListeningQuietly · 08/11/2019 19:39

Next week I shall cross the border between the RoI and the UK several times
interesting times