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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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prettybird · 08/11/2019 15:03

The problem that Peter Oborne will have is that every time BJ opens his mouth, another lie comes out Hmm (The old not very funny in the circumstances joke "How do you know if he's lying?" "Because his lips are moving" Sad) so he'd never be done refuting the lies. Confused

Jason118 · 08/11/2019 15:24

@3dogs2cats
@RedToothBrush
I'd like to echo 3dogs2cats post. I think sometimes we lose sight of people's real lives carrying on behind the posts, with traumas and changes that severely impact opinions and attitudes. Without these threads for the past year or so I would know next to nothing about what's going on. I'd not be able to discuss with friends why some of the things they have read are wrong, and therefore why their opinions are tainted. So, genuine thanks to red, BCF, DGR and many others for contributing to my continued education. Please don't stop.

Icantreachthepretzels · 08/11/2019 15:30

Has this been posted?

chng.it/Jd5Gh24srB

Petition for Boris to release the Russia Report before the election. Of course it won't work - but still - if there's anyone out there who would like to sign it...

DGRossetti · 08/11/2019 15:34

Labour election candidate defended ‘Jewish final solution’ slur

Be curious to know how others on this thread gauge this news.

For some reason I have just remembered how the man that tore Boris a new one in hospital was found to be "A Labour Activist" ...

Also, what happens if my sense of what anti-semitism is doesn't equate with "(the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism)" definition. Whatever it may be ?

Quite happy to skip in and out of the looking glass as many times as people want, in a way.

On the basis that I know the Tory candidate that was so quick to get his name above the fold also doesn't know the "International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism" either, we can safely ignore anything he has to say on the subject too.

What fun ! What fun !

Has the caucus race started yet ?

TheMShip · 08/11/2019 15:44

It's not the final deadline for candidates yet. Laura McAlpine should withdraw and another candidate be selected for Harlow. Let's see what happened - the news broke 3 hours ago and we don't know if Labour party HQ were previously aware of the comments. (At least I'm not - have not had time to read the whole linked article.)

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/11/2019 15:45

Matthew Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
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2h
In the last few YouGov polls the % of 18-24-year-olds planning to vote Labour has moved from

October 25 - 35%

October 30 - 38%

Nov 1 - 44%

Nov 6 - 54%

Start of something significant?

TheMShip · 08/11/2019 15:45

Oops happened = happens

DGRossetti · 08/11/2019 15:56

It's not the final deadline for candidates yet. Laura McAlpine should withdraw and another candidate be selected for Harlow.

Not quite sure why. Someone who is campaigning on her behalf made some robust comments that happened to use a phrase which has become unsavoury (but not verboten) in recent times when discussing a situation in the middle east. Personally I can see how it might be offensive - particularly if it was directed at you. But to make a leap that it somehow betrays a burning hatred of Jews ... I don't see it.

Now if it's not my place to decided what is, or is not anti-semitic, then fine. Let's get on with it, along with me not being able to have a view on any issue that I can't claim directly impinges on me. We were already nudging that way yesterday, when I was told that I'm spouting nonsense if I believe womens rights aren't somehow the best they've ever been.

There's two ways this can go. People can either have open discussions and debate and explain their thinking. Or people can stay quiet for fear of being called an -ist of some description, and nurture their thinking in the dark. Personally I prefer the light. It has an antiseptic quality that cleans up bile and hatred.

ListeningQuietly · 08/11/2019 15:58

Nominations do not close until next Wednesday
Only then will we know how many seats the Brexit Party are contesting
and who the actual candidates will be
and thus be able to decide whether to vote tactically

Justanother
Having just done a couple of YouGovs
the sample sizes are so small that the margin of error is greater than the movement

TheMShip · 08/11/2019 15:58

I think she should withdraw because otherwise the issue becomes a distraction from my main goal for this election, which is to keep out the Tories.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/11/2019 15:58

Personally I prefer the light. It has an antiseptic quality that cleans up bile and hatred.

^^This

Hoooo · 08/11/2019 16:03

Bridgen just pushed a leaflet through my door.

Isn't it odd that he's walking around doing this on his own????

Wonder if the rumour of no tory volunteers are true?

ListeningQuietly · 08/11/2019 16:07

I totally agree with DGRosetti about the harm caused by shutting down conversations.
Identity politics is a poison that needs to work its way back out of the system.
Allowing those with vile views to expose themselves and thus be moderated
is far better than letting them reinfect each other in the silos of closed facebook and whatsapp groups

MockersthefeMANist · 08/11/2019 16:08

The Laura McAlpine thing is beyond disgusting. The suggestion is one of collective guilt for criminal acts, followed by the greatest obscenity imaginable, that the surviving victims of genocide are by dint of being such, liable to be perpetrators of similar acts.

Vile does not begin to cover it. No proble in the Labour Party, eh?

I would however be more sympathetic to the Aberdeenshire case, where the offence taken seems to be one of equating the term 'child abuse' with sexual abuse.

Hoooo · 08/11/2019 16:08

He's not as fat as he looks on tv.
He's wearing little hiking boots!

Mistigri · 08/11/2019 16:08

"Isn't it odd that he's walking around doing this on his own????"

Maybe he's just as unlikeable as he seems on the telly.

I think the conservatives ground game will be suffering from the departure of working age activists.

Jason118 · 08/11/2019 16:08

It's the only thing he's qualified to do

Mistigri · 08/11/2019 16:09

Hooo you should have pounced and cross examined him about Grenfell!

DGRossetti · 08/11/2019 16:11

I think she should withdraw because otherwise the issue becomes a distraction from my main goal for this election, which is to keep out the Tories.

Which is fair enough. But it does start us down a path where anyone can shout anything about anyone else with the effect that they have to step down lest the issue becomes a distraction from my main goal for this election

Hmm

After all, you can't prove a negative.

And the corollary to that attitude, is that you then make a judgement that Labour are the sort of party to immediate give in at the first whiff of trouble, rather than actually do the right thing.

One of the problems of recent times - and I don't think anyone serious has yet looked into it (apologies if I am wrong) - is how national perspective is being bought to bear on local matters in a way that was impossible even 20 years ago. Thanks to the interweb.

So we have an entire country and nest of vipers able to pontificate on what a minor party activist in Harlow (of all places) said years ago, and pass The Judgement Of Elders, when really - and crucially - the only people that matter in this instance are the voters of Harlow. (admittedly not the biggest hit U2 ever had Grin).

Hoooo · 08/11/2019 16:11

I was in only in my knickers as I was about to hop in the bath.

Blush
DGRossetti · 08/11/2019 16:12

The Laura McAlpine thing is beyond disgusting. The suggestion is one of collective guilt for criminal acts, followed by the greatest obscenity imaginable, that the surviving victims of genocide are by dint of being such, liable to be perpetrators of similar acts.

We must have been reading different articles

prettybird · 08/11/2019 16:13

The good news is that c66k 18-44 year olds are registering to vote every day (v. under 20k for the 45+) Smile

.... and there is still the spike to come just before registration closes (last time it was c.750k) Shock

ListeningQuietly · 08/11/2019 16:14

Hoooo
That would have scared him Grin
But I agreed that the cold dark weather will bother young Labour students a lot less than it will Tory blue rinse door knockers

Hoooo · 08/11/2019 16:18

Yes it would have Grin
they were my good pants though

I did overhear him talking to an older person and his reply was "the reason they are all standing down is becauae they can't look the electorate in the face..."

I was with my mum, otherwise I'd have had to weigh in....

DGRossetti · 08/11/2019 16:19

the harm caused by shutting down conversations.

There are several ways to shut down debate ... as I noted yesterday, in some circles, even asking a question will be treated as racism. Or sexism. Or whatever. Then there's a return to the days of witches, wizards, potions and magic spells, where a word or phrase becomes an incantation - transmogrified into a terrible spell that ends all discussion. And just because I spotted it on QI yesterday, theres kittle-pitchering ...