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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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MockersthefeMANist · 07/11/2019 16:05

Where do they find them?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-50322512

placemats · 07/11/2019 16:07

Thanks APileofballyhoo The autopsy report indicated it was a massive heart attack. The funeral will probably be next week. Still a shock. I went shopping yesterday afternoon and saw presents and for a moment thought oh they would love that. It really stumped me for six.

Alsohuman · 07/11/2019 16:09

Where do they find them?

The sewers. Just shows how bloody desperate they must be.

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 16:20

Placemats 💐

placemats · 07/11/2019 16:22

What annoys me about Conrad standing in Broadland is that it is an automatic shoe in for him. Over 18,000 majority. Disgraceful.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000603

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 16:23

I was leaning towards voting Labour. Then Tom Watson left last night, and I thought I just can't do it, it'll have to be the LDs. Now I've seen how they are sending emails to women saying they are gender critical and telling them not to join the party. I can't vote for them. I just can't bring myself to do it. Not after all the shit in my family. And the alternatives are Brexit Party and the Tory Party. Which are none starter's.

I honestly don't think I can hold my nose and vote for the least worst option because I am at the point of thinking they are all equally dreadful and don't think I could in good conscious think to my self if all the shit is hitting the fan with whatever it is, that I voted for them in any capacity.

I will go and vote, but honestly right now I do think the only option I have is spoiling my ballot as I don't think any of the parties will make a positive contribution to the country and I don't believe that any of them believe in Liberal democracy.

I'm at a real loss.

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bellinisurge · 07/11/2019 16:29

@RedToothBrush agree . I'm leaning towards spoiling my paper . I would only vote Labour in my constituency to keep the Brexit Party out. At the moment, I'm not sure they are a sufficient force in my Labour Leave /"Workington Man" constituency.

tobee · 07/11/2019 16:31

Have they been sending these emails to women re being gender critical as part of their election campaign Red?

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 16:31

Careful red
I've said similar in the past and got flamed for it.

Jason118 · 07/11/2019 16:32

I agree with @RedToothBrush - but my hair is on fire

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 16:33

The worst thing is the LD candidate is a good guy who I know personally and would call a friend.

He is well aware of my position and the issue but is happy to go along with it, to achieve his dream of being an MP.

I've had conversations with him about how women don't politically engage and how more women should get into politics (he wants more women in politics).

Yet the party is actively and deliberately telling women not to join if they don't believe in gender stereotypes.

I'm appalled. And genuinely hope we get a hung parliament.

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placemats · 07/11/2019 16:35

You are not alone RTB. So many people, men and women, on my Twitter feed saying the same thing.

I will be voting Labour because I know the person and they are decent and not woke at all but it's a huge maj for the ERG anti gay rights, anti abortion rights Tory. I suspect the Libdems will have a resurgence.

Having said all that, I am a little bit tempted to spoil my vote. I shall have to see how I feel on the day.

Note: If spoiling your vote do it properly.

www.votenone.org.uk/imgs/download/ballot-vote-none450.jpg

www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

tobee · 07/11/2019 16:37

Of course people should vote for more parties then Labour or Conservative mrslaughan. But if you want to do your best to get rid of a Johnson government I would suggest people vote tactically. But that is because, at this time, I think a Tory government unfettered is more dangerous than any thing else. Inclusive of Brexit. By a long way.

This is bearing in mind that I think a Labour or LibDem majority is fanciful.

This is why Jo Swinson positioning LibDem as revoke & remain is entirely missing the point.

Obviously, I speak for myself

FadingStar · 07/11/2019 16:38

Much as I would love to see Article 50 revoked, I could never vote for the LibDems. Their treatment of women who speak the truth is diabolical.

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 16:38

Honestly no party has my interests at heart and all wish to actively harm me in one way or another. I don't know that there is a least worst option. That's the problem. All wish to take away my rights, screw the country financially, have issues with democracy and authoritarianism and have rampant aboherent sexism and bullying going on internally.

Tell me what is to like about any?

Honestly I don't know that there's anything left.

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bellinisurge · 07/11/2019 16:39

Thanks @placemats , I was thinking of how many swear words I could get in without my dd seeing. I always take her voting. Writing None in big clear letters covers it well enough.

tobee · 07/11/2019 16:39

I'm sorry but Jo Swinson is a fucking fool.

tobee · 07/11/2019 16:40

Love to one day think I could vote other than the least bad option. SadAngry

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 16:41

Can't stand Swinson.

"Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats".

Fuck off.

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Songsofexperience · 07/11/2019 16:48

Sorry for your loss @placemats 💐

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 16:50

There's a clear pattern emerging here, where hard won rights are being simply eroded and ground into meaninglessness.

Womens rights ? Completely trashed by the Trans "debate".
Right to vote ? Completely eradicated by pisspoor politics.
BAME rights ? Being swept away by self-id and self-othering.

I wonder if there's any historical precedent ? Not recent, more classical.

I also wonder what the endpoint is ? A return to the quasi private-army nature of European politics 1066-1815 ? Google as the new Dutch East India company ? The US as a collection of privateers ?

What a time to be alive.

Songsofexperience · 07/11/2019 16:52

I'm completely demotivated now where up until recently I was so engaged with politics. It all feels pointless and rigged to favour bastards on all sides. Not decent people. I see way too much blinkered dogmatism everywhere in all parties. Where is simple common sense and decency?
Can we have a party that just aims at that? They all seem in love with destruction (of different types perhaps but there is an element of destruction in all of them).

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 16:57

It's horrific.

I can have sensible discussions with hard-line Brexiteers and agree with them on many issues which largely centre on this idea that representation and rights in practice no longer have meaning or effect.

I might disagree with them on personality politics and Europe but fundamentally what's driving their dissatisfaction is exactly the same type of thing as me, just vocalised and verbalise in a different fashion.

It's ironic as a friend said to me last week that she was far too stupid and ignorant to be a politician. She said it was better to leave it to experts who knew what they were talking about rather than someone like here.

These people don't exist and the exodus of backbenchers this week saying they aren't standing again has only reinforced how I feel about this.

Given how I'm saying this despite a local candidate being someone I actually like and have time for and think is a good intelligent guy but know he has absolutely no spine to stand up for me it's dire. Utterly dire.

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RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 16:58

The current direction of travel of the LDs is definitely not the one I want the country to take.

Even though I'm pro-remain and pro-Europe in principle.

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