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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 16:30

Behold the EU pumpkin to be. Nutella glass to illustrate size. The kids were 😱🎃

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
flouncyfanny · 29/10/2019 16:31

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/10/2019 16:33

What is the point of filibustering?
I thought they wanted to pass this election bill today? Is it just to stop amendments?

AutumnCrow · 29/10/2019 16:34

@Bercows I use those nutella glasses as wine glasses. I'm très sophisticated

DarlingNikita · 29/10/2019 16:35

Why would the Lib Dems or Labour want to push for an election? Even with 16-year-olds and EU citizens, neither of them could win; the best they might hope for would be confidence and supply, surely?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/10/2019 16:39

Joe Pike
@joepike
· 37m
Bumped into Dominic Cummings.

Me: Ready for the campaign Mr Cummings?
DC: We’re not going to have one.
Me: Really?
DC: They’ll vote for EU citizens and we’ll have to pull it.

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 16:39

Come to the conclusion it winds up the Tory’s Nikita.

DGRossetti · 29/10/2019 16:40

Why would the Lib Dems or Labour want to push for an election? Even with 16-year-olds

Not that it will happen, but were under 18s to get the vote, would they continue the punishment the LibDems are still getting for tuition fees ?

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 16:43

Not that it will happen, but were under 18s to get the vote, would they continue the punishment the LibDems are still getting for tuition fees ?.

My daughter was the first year to be caught out by tuition fees and she bears no malice. She hates Brexit more.

TokyoSushi · 29/10/2019 16:44

Amendments that have been tabled, note NOT accepted - we don't know that yet. publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2019-2020/0010/amend/early_daily_cwh_1029.pdf

Labour seem keen on December 9th

tobee · 29/10/2019 16:45

Also, isn't Cummings going to be under the knife? Re that Joe Pike comment?

tobee · 29/10/2019 16:47

Not double posting again! Hmm

tobee · 29/10/2019 16:48

Doesn't Dominic Cummings make a point of saying stuff and means the opposite? Coz he's so big and clever?

Hasenstein · 29/10/2019 16:49

Peachi82

How far have you got with your citizenship application? Have you done the language and Life in the UK test yet?

When DW applied, we had great difficulty with the documentary evidence - in fact, the first application was turned down because the only bank statement we had was for a joint account, which was rejected (we only have the one account).

In the end, we went for overkill and sent in several kilos of supporting paperwork with the second (successful) attempt. I'm not sure whether they would have passed the application anyway or they just couldn't be arsed with checking through reams of bumf.

Anyway, good luck - at least you'll end up knowing far more about British history etc. than the average Brit - DW is a huge hit at quiz night now Grin

prettybird · 29/10/2019 16:51

I think Cummings is between a rock and a hard place: an absolute commitment to his dw that he would go for his hopefully serious operation and a realistic fear that once he's not able to keep BJ on a short leash and control both the strategy and the message, BJ will do something stupid Shock here's hoping Wink

Icantreachthepretzels · 29/10/2019 16:54

I think Cummings is between a rock and a hard place: an absolute commitment to his dw that he would go for his hopefully serious operation

I doubt his promises to his wife are worth any more than the promises he makes to anybody else.

Classic Dom.

DGRossetti · 29/10/2019 16:55

So a person who bet back in July that:

  1. the UK would not leave the EU on 31/10/2019

and

  1. there would not be an election in 2019

might be on the verge of a nice windfall ?

KanelbulleKing · 29/10/2019 16:56

There's an amendment to remove the time limit on overseas voting. Interesting as that's a tory manifesto pledge which they've been ignoring for years.

HeyNotInMyName · 29/10/2019 16:56

Can someone tell me what is the point of those amendments for an election or PV AFTER the 31st January?
Do people think that an extension once more to sort our issues will just be granted?
Have they not realise that the EU is getting pissed of and might well say a big flat NO?

Peachi82 · 29/10/2019 16:58

Hasenstein
I'm done with it. Just waiting for the decision.
I've sent lots and lots of paperwork with the application. Just a waiting game now.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 16:58

@Alsohuman she's actually on here (hi Mammy 👋) Grin. My fault. Going on about MN so much!!

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 17:02

@TokyoSushi Jesus what's with May 7th there on the amendment paper. That's never gonna happen like.

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 17:06

Potter. I think there is some sort of sweepstake in the opposition benches about which ERGer they can get to explode first.

Some of those amendments are nuts.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 17:09

Ooh I want Layla Morans clause (it won't happen)