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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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flouncyfanny · 29/10/2019 15:53

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JellyBabiesSaveLives · 29/10/2019 15:53

The right to vote isn’t about tax though, is it? Babies are subject to tax, if they happen to have an income, and no one is suggesting they get a vote.

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 15:54

I get the 16/17 vote could be problematic to arrange but aren’t EU citizens entitled to vote in local elections and on the electoral roll already ??

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placemats · 29/10/2019 15:55

The only ones debating this are the opposition parties. The Government couldn't give a shit.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 15:57

@Alsohuman mam has just agreed wholeheartedly with you.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 16:02

This is pointless listening to this.

I wonder if there's an app that will just ring the Division Bell on my ipad at the required time.

tobee · 29/10/2019 16:04

flouncy!!!! ShockShockShock

tobee · 29/10/2019 16:04

That would be an excellent app OhYouBad

DGRossetti · 29/10/2019 16:05

LauraK stating an election as fact on the BBC homepage Hmm

(First time I've looked today ..)

prettybird · 29/10/2019 16:06

No taxation without representation

Technically, even babies young children need to pay income tax if they earn enough Confused (child actors, maybe Wink). But they only have to pay NI once they turn 16.

Alsohuman · 29/10/2019 16:06

Your mum and I would get on @PotterHead1985!

Is it just me or is Parliament even more Alice in Wonderland today?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 16:07

It would tobee I've had a look and can't find one. That's sad.

prettybird · 29/10/2019 16:09

Why aren't they talking about the amendments?

Because they'll only get inserted at committee stage (I think), once if it passes its 2nd reading.

So that's the middle 2 hours, after the current 4 hours of debating the 2nd reading.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 16:13

oh is that what they are doing? Thanks PrettyBird When do these four hours finish?

tobee · 29/10/2019 16:15

Now I've confused myself! I thought they'd passed at this helter skelter pace! Confused

ratsnest · 29/10/2019 16:16

Heidi Allen will not be standing at the next election citing broken politics alongside the now-commonplace intimidation, nastiness and invasions of privacy.
heidiallen.co.uk/heidi-allen-mp-letter-to-south-cambridgeshire-constituents/?fbclid=IwAR0LH9VmrdzHDuk0GIZsOhCD_metOWdbUHMDc3akiH0HD3YIIeDwqngXzwE

TokyoSushi · 29/10/2019 16:16

They seem to think we'll know about the amendments just before 6pm and then the big yay or nay vote around 8pm, apparently.

Twitter seems to think it's increasingly likely itll get pulled of the amendments pass, and then what? VONC?

prettybird · 29/10/2019 16:17

I posted at 14.23 that the 4 hours started from then as that's when BJ got up - and Bercow had said it would be 4 hours from when the debate started.

I'm presuming that the initial amendment vote (Stella Creasey's amendment to allow amendments Wink) was outwith that period.

TokyoSushi · 29/10/2019 16:17

I'm not sure Lindsay Hoyle will select them (and therefore further his own chances of becoming Speaker)

Violetparis · 29/10/2019 16:20

Commentators seem to be saying it's unlikely the amendments for votes for 16/17 year olds and EU nationals are called. If the amendment to change the election date to the 9th is called will the government accept this or pull the bill ?

tobee · 29/10/2019 16:21

While catching up on here and doing other tasks, I've been watching videos of dancing doggies sent to me by my family. Much easier to understand a world of dancing doggies than parliament. Grin

Peachi82 · 29/10/2019 16:25

EU nationals voting in a GE will never go through. We weren't even allowed to vote in the referendum.
We are on the electoral register, but from there you can't see whether we have settled status or not.
I don't have settled status, aive applied for permanent residency 1.5 years ago and I'm currently waiting for the decision for my citizenship application.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 16:27

Home from buying a massive ghost pumpkin and the school run, tuned in to Parliament live and it's just Anne main giving hard stares. I don't like her. She reminds me of one of those teachers who no one likes.

AutumnCrow · 29/10/2019 16:29

Why is Anne Main filibustering?

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