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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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prettybird · 29/10/2019 15:24

Vicky Ford trying to smear the LibDems by saying that they didn't even bother to turn up to debate the Environment Bill last night (although Luciana Berger then corrected her, supported by the Speaker) .....and has the gall to do this in a Chamber which the vast majority of Conservatives had vacated as soon as the SNP stood up to speak Confused

Quite apart from the fact that MPs don't need to be present to listen to the debate. Indeed, they might not even listen to the debate but will dutifully troop into the Division lobbies according to their whip - as they did during the Scottish devolved matters Power Grab during which the SNP weren't even allowed to speak Angry

MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 15:24

I hope we can have a ditch on Westminster Green on Thursday and Shouty Man demanding, "Where's Boris?"

thecatfromjapan · 29/10/2019 15:24

I missed that about a go fund me for a hitman for Gina Millar.

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MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 15:25

I missed that about a go fund me for a hitman for Gina Millar.

So did they. It was up for six months, which will probably help the responsible party with their "It was just a joke" defence.

DGRossetti · 29/10/2019 15:26

I've never really got the votes for 16/17 thing. Maybe because it wasn't really a Thing when I was growing up, and there's a narrow window of opportunity where it impinges enough to actually stick as an issue ?

Either way, if we allow 16 year olds to vote, then why don't we allow foreign nationals (who probably pay a shitload more tax to the UK exchequer) to vote ? No taxation without representation as I heard once from a very loudmouth country.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 15:33

"Relieved that finally no one died in a ditch.
He doesn’t sound very sincere."

Yes, he couldn't really express regret ! Grin

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PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 15:35

Did I miss much? Went outside for a cig and to freeze my tits off (easterly wind, sea/small wall/my back garden = COOOOLLLDDD 🥶).

My mam was one of the poor unfortunates who turned 21 and then they lowered the voting age to 18!

thecatfromjapan · 29/10/2019 15:35

Best for Britain Tactical Voting site.

This is the one I'd trust.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 15:37

Stupid wind and momentary panic. The satellite signal went for a minute. Q heart attacks in the Potter house.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 15:38

Debating isn't a strong point of Bob Seely. He's in a right old muddle.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 15:38

My signal went on my VM cable box too, so I think it was a Parliament tv hiccup.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 15:42

Looks like the Tories think the amendment might pass????

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
tobee · 29/10/2019 15:46

Hmmmm!

flouncyfanny · 29/10/2019 15:48

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tobee · 29/10/2019 15:48

Does anyone actually have any clue what Johnson is actually after? Apart from further chaos? ConfusedHmm

KanelbulleKing · 29/10/2019 15:48

what is "plan B"

PLAN B.....WE HAVE A PLAN B ??? WHERE ?

I'm still waiting for plan A to be revealed. This brexit wack-a-mole has gone on long enough.

placemats · 29/10/2019 15:49

Is the million dollar question tobee.

Perhaps he wants to go and live in the USA?

Alsohuman · 29/10/2019 15:50

My mam was one of the poor unfortunates who turned 21 and then they lowered the voting age to 18!

So was I, WASPIs too. Our generation is pretty used to being fucked over politically.

tobee · 29/10/2019 15:50

Presumably if they pull the bill today, try again tomorrow?!?!?! 🤯the emoji sometimes known as Mark Francois

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/10/2019 15:50

Apparently if the voting rights for 16/17 yo and EU citizens in the UK passes, Boris will scrap the December election.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 15:51
Grin

I have to say, I am really confused. I thought they were debating the GE bill and amendments but they are just wobbling on about brexit deal/no deals. Why aren't they talking about the amendments?