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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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Basilpots · 29/10/2019 10:09

And 7th.....

Tanith · 29/10/2019 10:13

“ 70% of students voted in their home constituency rather than in their student constituency. ”

DS travelled from his college in order to vote in the EU elections. I know he was not the only one - they didn’t trust the postal system.
I think, if the Tories have calculated on disenfranchising the student vote, they are in for a shock.

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 10:27

Philip Hammond says real reason for election is to get rid of Tory moderates in Conservative party #r4today

Not a message that’s going to go down well with some Conservative voters. We know from on here not all Tory’s are rabid brexiteers and are hoping that they will revert back to ‘one nationism’ once Brexit is done.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 10:29

Sunny, mild, with dollops of targeted snow. Confused

Right, I'll see what I can rustle up Grin

Hoooo · 29/10/2019 10:33

You don't get NI cards anymore.

It's a piece of paper.

Ds1 is 16 and asked me to add him to the electoral roll a few weeks ago.

MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 10:37

Individual Voter Registration means no more "Head of the Household" (Man) who writes down everyone's names. 16 & 17 y/o's are supposed to put themselves on the roll.

You need to go to your local authority website to regsiter.

www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Hoooo · 29/10/2019 10:38

I'm not a man
I did it online

fedup21 · 29/10/2019 10:42

Why are they voting again today on a December 12th election when that didn’t pass yesterday?

Is it a different vote?

borntobequiet · 29/10/2019 10:45

Do most people on here not want an election? Perhaps we should have a straw poll.

Me: on balance, yes. I think the Conservatives are a busted flush, and the BXT no hopers. (My opinion only, largely based on spidey senses and gut feeling.)

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 10:47

Has today's vote got to have 3 readings and then go to the HoL and then get royal assent? I'm not sure of the process. I'm confused as always abs riddled with endometriosis pain and the delights of a period headache. Peri-menopause is such a delight 😩

MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 10:48

Why are they voting again today on a December 12th election when that didn’t pass yesterday?

Yesterday was a piece of pointless grandstanding by BJ under the Tory-LD Fixed Term Parliament Act, for which you need 67% of MPs to vote for it.

Today is a short simple bill overturning the FTPA and call an election on a specific day. If passed, this requires only a simple majority of the MPs who turn up, and if Labour back it then it will succeed.

fedup21 · 29/10/2019 10:49

I don’t think an election will solve this mess as the mess is Brexit.

To solve it, we will either have a government who will do Brexit (which will be shit) and some people will be happy, many won’t be. We could have a government that doesn’t do Brexit and there will be some people happy and some won’t be. Or we could have a government like the one we’ve got where nothing gets done.

Whatever happens, millions of people are going to be unhappy.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 10:51

borntobequiet I don't know. My fear is that we will go through it and things will be no different, or no better, and it will give the tories carte Blanche to do what the hell they like to screw us over. I'm not convinced it will solve anything regarding brexit. I anticipate a Tory minority and we know what that looks like for our country. I want to revoke and for whoever is in power to resolve the issues in our country. But unicorns don't exist Sad

fedup21 · 29/10/2019 10:51

BBC app says Labour/Corbyn are backing an early election. Does that mean BJ’s bill today will pass?

MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 10:53

...The fun with this approach of a bespoke one-off election mandated by a special act of parliament is you can play about with the franchise, so expect amendments seeking votes for 16/17 y/o's and expats of both sorts, EU in UK and vice versa.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/10/2019 10:53

Do most people on here not want an election? Perhaps we should have a straw poll.

Nope, I'd personally like to see them hold out and let the FTPA make them sweat some more but the optics of that arent going to be favorable

cloudydaysinautumn · 29/10/2019 10:54

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis
A bill to override the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is a constitutional monstrosity. It overrides the safeguards inserted by Parliament to prevent a narrow majority of MPs fixing the election date to their advantage

But isn't the cornerstone of the UK constitution parliamentary sovereignty and no parliament can bind its successors....?

The parliament that voted for the FTPA was deluded if it thought it would have any long term affect if a majority in Parliament wanted to override it

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/10/2019 10:54

Balance of Power
@BalancePowerUK
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BREAKING

Jeremy Corbyn has said the conditions have been met and he WILL BACK a General Election.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2019 10:55

With yesterday's vote, BoZo controlled the date of the GE so we could've no dealed because of the date he chose. Today's vote has a fixed date which can't be changed.

(Plus the numbers thing!)

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/10/2019 10:56

Urgh fuck here we go, on a plus note I'm a little excited I do love a BBC election all nighter Grin

fedup21 · 29/10/2019 10:58

Is the 12th December date likely to pass?

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 10:59

Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak
Corbyn says conditions met, he's backing the election

Labour might still back an amendment to hold the election on the 9th, but the bigger principle decision has been made, they are backing a December election

As I said last night, it's not the election vote that was likely to pass that's the interesting bit.

It's the amendments.

MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 11:00

Labour say three line whip to back the deal and any date will do.

Just watch for franchise amendments.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/10/2019 11:00

Agreed Red

I'll be suprised if the gov dont pull it depending on the amendments

Hoooo · 29/10/2019 11:04

What time is the vote?