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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 21:39

It's a GE now.

And Labour are almost certainly going to back it.

All we can hope for now than is a majority (I know I know)/minority Labour government, gives you a PV after a softer negotiation, so all we can do is tactically get these cruel, inhuman cunts out

Can I just thank you cat for giving me a push into not responding to a pp's posts I'm gratefully less stressed

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 21:42

Stoicism Just it’s the only way Wink

Bearbehind · 28/10/2019 21:46

and we don't flounce

Like I said, I’m not flouncing

miljah is posting on the pub thread on a really giant manner just to stir up trouble then reporting back here yet you’re jumping in to defend that

I post that white is white and you all jump down my throat to argue it’s not, simply because it was me that said it, proven by the fact that if one of your clan said the same you’d totally agree

I just can’t be bothered with it right now but I’ll be back

thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 21:47

BigChoc That is an excellent analysis.

I may have to copy that and paste into my 'Notes' on my phone to read on days I feel I'm going mad.

Bearbehind · 28/10/2019 21:49

Goady not giant

thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 21:50

MRAs = Men's Rights Activists.

It's been a long time since I posted in other areas of MN but I remember when these folks turned up and caused a world of trouble for some posters.

They would target, goad, mass report, and pursue outside of MN.

It was horrible. And a 'new' (and unwelcome) thing.

mrslaughan · 28/10/2019 21:58

MRA = bullies, and you see that carrying into aspects of the trans lobby........it's so fucking depressing , my daughter could end up with less tights than I have enjoyed......

mrslaughan · 28/10/2019 21:59

Bloody autocorrect tights obv =rights

Lonelycrab · 28/10/2019 22:00

@Miljah I agree with Bercows too.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 22:01

"What do the EU expect to happen during the next three months? What is the UK expected to have achieved by 31st January?"

Listening imo:

The EU just want a WA passed.
They think the UK needs to sort itself out and are not prepared to hang around waiting for this.

The EU are now looking only to their own political & business interests / stability

They want to push the UK onwards into post-Brexit negotiations, so that Barnier deals with "the British problem", instead of taking up so much of the EUCO / E27 bandwidth

Macron / federalists want to develop the EU further, without the UK blocking every step and without the distraction of Brexit

Macron in particular wants France to become a much more important power than the UK

"Are we ABSOLUTELY safe from no deal ?"

Safe until 31 January at least

If we approve BJ's WA, then we are safe until 31 Dec 2020, but no longer if there is then a Tory majority govt.

May's WA would have been permanently safe from No Deal, regardless of any future UK govt,
because the EU would have no motive to swap from the all-UK backstop
and the magic tech to replace the backstop could never exist.

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Ellie56 · 28/10/2019 22:03

Last time the polls were all saying Theresa May was going to get a landslide majority. She didn't.

And Corbyn surprised everyone by actually being quite good at campaigning.

Probably the best we can hope for is a hung parliament so the excesses of the right and the left are reigned in.

Que sera sera.

Time to investigate the Brexit wine stash. Wine

ListeningQuietly · 28/10/2019 22:06

Thank you BigChocFrenzy
I was just rather confused driving home from work to still see 1st November signs on the motorway

and I cannot see what is in it for ANYBODY with further delay.

The can will be kicked down the road so fast it will not touch the ground
and then this uncertainty and shit and despair comes round again in 13 weeks
what is the bloody point ?

thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 22:11

I find it so hard to understand the Brexit people.

Their hailing Macron as a saviour.

When what Macron wants is to put France's interests first. Which is, of course, quite reasonable.

You would think that, alone, would be a big red flag for them that Brexit is going to be bad for the UK.

Sad
NoWordForFluffy · 28/10/2019 22:13

You would think that, alone, would be a big red flag for them that Brexit is going to be bad for the UK.

They're just choosing not to pay attention to that as it doesn't go along with their narrative.

thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 22:14

@Miljah I agree with the other posters. Don't leave. This is your place. And you have friends here. 🙂

ClashCityRocker · 28/10/2019 22:16

Is it expected that Johnson will get the numbers tomorrow?

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 22:21

#brexitmeltdown 😂😂

Yet more money wasted on meltdowns (and new ads warning of 1 February)

Jess Shankleman@JessShankleman

.....Thousands of Brexit 50ps stamped with Oct 31 won't become collectors items after all, as sources confirm they will be melted down
#brexitmeltdown

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-10-28/u-k-to-destroy-commemorative-50p-coins-in-brexit-meltdown?

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ClashCityRocker · 28/10/2019 22:25

The fecking ads didn't tell you anything useful anyway!

'If you're going abroad... Check your passport!'

No shit sherlock.

If it had mentioned 'you will now need x months left on it to travel in the EU' it might have been some bloody use. But it was all very vague and mystical. 'There may be some changes...'... 🙄 🙄 🙄

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 22:25

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Jacob Rees-Mogg tears up tomorrow's business to replace it with all stages of what is now called the Early Parliamentary General Election Bill.

Also confirms No10's big offer to LDs/SNP:
"I can assure this house that we will not bring back the Withdrawal Agreement Bill".

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Basilpots · 28/10/2019 22:27

There may be some changes..

And a fuck tonne of paperwork....

ClashCityRocker · 28/10/2019 22:28

So in essence only difference is the date, between the snp/ld proposal?

BUT, the later date means he does potentially have time to get the wa Bill through Parliament if he was telling porkies?

thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 22:28

Can't help but think this is true.

I do wonder if I'll see a proper enquiry into Brexit in my lifetime, though.

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 22:30

Clash, as Fluffy pointed out, this bill holds Johnson to a date - because no-one trusts him.

ClashCityRocker · 28/10/2019 22:35

Sorry cat I missed that.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 22:39

@redtoothbrush Is this on your booklist ?

"May at 10" by Anthony Seldon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/May-at-10-Anthony-Seldon-ebook/dp/B07NTZLJWS/ref=sr11_1?

May at 10 book extract: Theresa May quickly came to regret making ‘needy’ Boris Johnson her foreign secretary

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-at-10-book-extract-theresa-may-quickly-came-to-regret-making-needy-boris-johnson-her-foreign-secretary-qp2cpzgtr

In cabinet, she would be particularly cutting to him for not understanding the detail.

A regular phrase cabinet ministers heard was,
“No, Boris, it’s not that simple.”

His colleagues winced.

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