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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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PotterHead1985 · 28/10/2019 18:52

Lock the doors

tobee · 28/10/2019 18:52

I was having my own private disco in the kitchen while cooking dinner Bercows while the debate was raging. But I caved and have popped into watch vote in my living room! Grin

placemats · 28/10/2019 18:53

Or speaking to the media.

Miljah · 28/10/2019 18:53

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 18:54

I would expect him to support the 9 Dec proposal if it is tabled, because that only requires a majority vote and would pass anyway

  • Labour would not want to start a GE campaign looking like chickens
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JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 18:54

Once again I agree BCF now can Brexit be over so I can stop this bloody nightmare of agreeing with you Grin

PotterHead1985 · 28/10/2019 18:56

@Miljah I accidentally wandered in a few months ago. And quickly did like the Homer Simpson meme and backed the f out!!

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 18:56

Miljah 👀
Will pm you

thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 18:58

Not sure I'm coming from a 'seeing Corbyn as morally superior' place.

It's more that I'm tired of the slightly bonkers theories that haunt social media.

The idea that No Deal is part of a cunning plan to usher Labour into power needs to be dispelled.

The sad truth is that there isn't a cunning plan. No Deal is just a bloody disaster.

I think we all know that No Deal --> massive turn to authoritarian right wing government ... via chaos and violence.

So, I do think we can stop with the wilder theories (that Milne has total control of the Labour Party and is cunningly angling for No Deal).

For a start, the Leadership is quite factional and I don't think Milne has that control any more. 😁

But conspiracy theory it is ...

TheMShip · 28/10/2019 18:58

I need another Wine. Or several. And the extra tub of shitty Halloween chocolates.

I wish I could go back to blissful ignorance. It's not like my vote makes any difference (SNP will walk it again in my constituency). So why do I do this to myself? It's like an addiction.

PotterHead1985 · 28/10/2019 18:59

299 aye. 70 noes

thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 19:00

PS BigChoc's posts also look fine to me.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 19:00

bear "That makes no sense to me - if he and his party were worthy of supporting then no one would need to be sacrificed! "

Parties don't get votes because they are "worthy" of support

Otherwise the Tory party would have been kept out of office ever since 1979

A GE atm would be a big problem for Labour, even though they may be forced to agree to it.

Not just because of the polls,
but as I posted upthread, their party organisation is in chaos and has not done the most basic preparation.
They need several weeks prep, or they could face disaster

The party organisation fiasco is due to Corbyn's lack of competence at the most basic tasks of a party leader.

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 19:00

Fat fog doesn't look happy Grin

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 28/10/2019 19:01

Blimey potter
I'm well behind you whatever you're watching/listening on

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 19:01

Fart fogg even. Fat berg and fart fogg.

placemats · 28/10/2019 19:02

You are brave Miljah. I lurk but never post. It's like the pub in American Werewolf in London.

So the motion was lost.

Short bill for an election on 12 December so Brexit can be done. Brexit just starts! Great New Deal! Dysfunctional Parliament? I think you'll find Boris that the dysfunction lies with the Government with an untrustworthy Prime Minister.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 19:03

So, I do think we can stop with the wilder theories (that Milne has total control of the Labour Party and is cunningly angling for No Deal).

I couldnt agree more, same with the Cummings and Johnson angle, it doesnt matter no point trying to game theory some shadowy figure conspiracists like to inplant there, after all we are all aware that they are lizard people and Ike is the messiah

PotterHead1985 · 28/10/2019 19:03

@OhLookHeKickedTheBall bbc parliament channel

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 19:03

thecat I've never claimed that No Deal is a cunning plan by Labour

Just that Corbyn would not sacrifice Labour interests to stop it

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Bearbehind · 28/10/2019 19:04

miljah I don’t think the pub is embarrassing itself generally

I agree the stupid shite about ‘praying for Sally’ etc is just childish but outside of that, posters like time, epic and dusty are just as pissed off as Remainers, only with a different viewpoint

We are all being screwed over here.

This division can’t even begin to be healed if people just keep on insulting each other purely based on their opinions

RedToothBrush · 28/10/2019 19:04

Paul Brand@paulbranditv
SNP's @IanBlackfordMP says if PM does want to bring that election bill then he must promise to drop the WAB in the meantime. But fundamentally SNP wants an election, he says. Sounds like a deal is up for grabs here.

dontcallmelen · 28/10/2019 19:04

BCF posts always look fine to me as well.

prettybird · 28/10/2019 19:04

Where is everyone? Having dinner? Should they not have to listen to the debate before voting?

Nope.

That's what made the SNP contingent incandescent about the "Power Grab" vote when WM voted to pull devolved powers back to WM without needing consent Angry (and resulted in Ian Blackford being ejected the following day and having all the SNP MPs follow him out). Not only were they not. allowed. to. speak. in that debate - but almost no Conservative MPs were present during the debate, yet then dutifully appeared after the Division Bell to troop into the Yes Lobby Angry

The walk-out at least had the effect of bring it to the MSM's attention.

placemats · 28/10/2019 19:04

Ken Clarke speaks sensibly. Please listen!