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[time4chocolate]

Not much else to say really 🍷🍷🍷

Democracy relies on losers continuing to fight for their cause and their beliefs, and to seek a democratic mandate for them at the next election.

And yet they are refusing to seek that democratic mandate 🤷🏻‍♀️

We also have to consent to loosing in democratic referendum we were told is once in a life time thing.

Of course people can fighting for more ref, but years after the one that has just been voted for.

Can't believe have to say this out loud

Just watched 10 O'clock news and sky news was reporting that an EU diplomat said "no deal is extremely possible".

I hope not 😟

I do think BJ's deal was ok - it was a pathway to Brexit & future relationships

This Parliament has been appalling

Oh, hello Dusty. I thought you'd 'muted' me because I was 'nasty'.

I'm more interested in Megan's response, as she seemed to imply that populism and Brexit were discrete, which I think is an interesting stance. Maybe she'll pop by to respond later or tomorrow.

But to answer this point you made above: It links to what I've been saying about Cummings's strategy over the last few months wrt shaping the narrative - 'get Brexit done' & Parliament vs the people' have become part of commentators' typical speech & from there embed into the psyche of everyone listening/watching. -

As I said previously, I don't believe this rhetoric gets 'embedded into the psyche' of everyone. Some people actually do think about what they're hearing and question it. If I hear a phrase being repeated by politicians ad nauseum, such as Theresa's "let us be clear/in the national interest/a deal that delivers..." or JRM/Raab/Javid et al's "antidemocratic backstop" it makes me feel sorry for the poor saps. Imagine doing a job where people tell you what phrases to go out and parrot that day/week, and imagine not having the backbone to refuse. This rhetoric is like a verbal version of the 'Tory power stance', if you remember that particular bit of ridiculousness.

Agree two fingers.

It's a bit like the tripe coming from labour about these evil tories, who can't be trusted, corbyn has spent a life time in tired, barely contained mode with these dreadful tories...

Then we see all these awful things that happened under Blair, and how rife anti sematism is in labour party, corybn sharing platform with terrorism but wouldn't with tm.

And we think... Who are these people, who the fuck are they.

If I hear a phrase being repeated by politicians ad nauseum, such as Theresa's "let us be clear/in the national interest/a deal that delivers..." or JRM/Raab/Javid et al's "antidemocratic backstop" it makes me feel sorry for the poor saps. Imagine doing a job where people tell you what phrases to go out and parrot that day/week, and imagine not having the backbone to refuse. This rhetoric is like a verbal version of the 'Tory power stance', if you remember that particular bit of ridiculousness.

I agree with you about the jarring of hearing someone repeat the given phrase, absolutely.

But whilst it's obvious that BJ is repeating the phrase, when it seeps into becoming part of the natural speech pattern of commentators it becomes 'normal'

For example, I've noticed that news presenters are saying things like "for Boris to get Brexit done, he needs to pass xyz" or "if x blocks y, then there's no way Boris will get Brexit done"

The 3 word catchy slogan can really work if done properly, but is really really obvious when done badly (TM strong and stable for eg)

I'm sure Cummings will come up with some better mind bending witch craft before election... I'm not wild about the current phrases....

YY Sunny - Ian Blackford for eg
always says, every single PMQs without fail,
"Dragging Scotland oot against oor wull"

Many SNP Indy supporters are Brexit voters!

I think they've been done to death now Sunny 😂

It's already considered post-ironic to say them 😂😂

Didn't more people in Scotland vote FOR Brexit than voted for the SNP?

Sunny lands - ‘It's a bit like the tripe coming from labour about these evil tories, who can't be trusted‘

What Labour say about the Tories is no different than what the Tories are saying about Labour. There are no saints within the Tories. Their agenda is to look after themselves, they aren’t a social minded party.

I'm not sure I understand your post, sunny, and I'm particularly struggling to understand the relevance of your point about anti-semitisim in the Labour party in an argument about rhetoric. Of course, all politicians indulge in rhetoric, including Blair, Corbyn etc., but I'm not sure what platform-sharing with Theresa May etc has to do with my post.

By the way, I hope you're not suggesting I'm a Corbyn fan with your digs about Labour etc. I saw Corbyn speak at a rally and thought he was a dick.

www.investing.com/news/forex-news/johnson-and-macron-the-odd-couple-determined-to-get-brexit-done-2004708

Looks like Boris and Macron have been chatting.

Plan A - get the bill passed by 31st - has hasn't quite worked
Plan B - Boris to call for an election - tbc
Plan C - Either short term term technical/flextension to give time for Deal to be scrutinised and passed.

Macron could be the one that gets this over the line 😮😉

they aren’t a social minded party.
You can say that again, Parker.

Anyway, bedtime beckons.

We wouldn’t be dealing with such a mess if Boris hadn’t wasted time by illegally proroguing Parliament. He tried to avoid having to answer questions about what he was up to and it’s all backfired.

I saw Corbyn speak at a rally and thought he was a dick.

Arnt they?

Socially minded? Interesting?

I don't think Labour are socially minded now area they? Maybe once decades ago but certainly not now.

I saw Corbyn speak at a rally and thought he was a dick.

😂😂😂

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Anyway, bedtime beckons

......just noticed the time.

Night everyone

Hope you have a better day tomorrow Dusty.

I don’t agree with many of Labour’s policies (hardly agree with any of the Tories) but Corbyn is a much better public speaker than Boris - he’s much more fluent than the mumbling Boris although not that difficult when Boris isn’t sure what he’s signing us up to.

Corbyn is a much better public speaker than Boris - he’s much more fluent than the mumbling Boris although not that difficult when Boris isn’t sure what he’s signing us up to

You can be the best public speaker in the world but you have to put your money where your mouth is -at least Boris is trying to do what he said he would rather than Corbyn who is doing the square root of nothing.

Corybn is horrific speaker... He can't speak at an audible level... His lips always looks wet 🤮.

He never smiles or looks happy!! He looks like the most miserable person to have been born... He's dreadful. He barely seems to be normal functioning human. He's like a brain washed, wet lipped robot set on very quiet setting by accident....

Thanks Greenish xx

Proper bromance between BJ & Macron Time4! 😮

I read something earlier about EU negotiators regretting getting so involved with Labour & anti-brexiters - they've realised it's those very MPs who are fucking everything up 🙄

His lips always looks wet 🤮

And the pause & sssnniiifff in the middle of sentences?! 🤮🤮🤮