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Westminstenders: Showdown

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RedToothBrush · 13/10/2019 20:22

Big week ahead.

Johnson has until Tuesday Afternoon to get his shit together for the EU.

He thinks it can be down, but still lots to do in that time.

This week we have the Queen's Speech too, which is going to be misused as a party political broadcast.

Remember if the government can't pass the QS, there's a crisis that gets generated as a direct result. Sticking in proposals that any liberal or leftie will struggle with, is deliberately provoking a crisis of that nature. A proposal of that type would have to be anti democratic in nature, like... Ermmm... Voter ID. Hell, well what do you know.

Johnson is still after his election because as it stands he's a passenger stuck in the runaway train of his own creation.

Talk of a deal breakthrough is still overstated too. The DUP and many of the usual ERG suspects have poured water on the idea. And many on the opposition benches are pushing hard on a confirmary ref being needed for a deal - they don't have the numbers yet, but talk is that they are close. We also have loyalist military making threats about an Irish Sea Border solution.

Time for Project Shit Meets Fan.

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Basilpots · 16/10/2019 23:11

Ah yes good old mysogyny.

Basilpots · 16/10/2019 23:12

Misogyny obviously... it’s late Confused

dreichsky · 16/10/2019 23:13

I agree with @Peregrina about the NHS. People won't see it coming until it is too late. They haven't noticed the privatization that has happened.
It will be rationing, removing assistance to the undeserving, encouraging private healthcare and the like at first before moving onto private companies helping support the NHS, alongside you don't want to be paying taxes towards the undeserving's healthcare and patients choice. It will happen without most people even noticing.

Oakenbeach · 16/10/2019 23:15

Is Finchley and Golders Green Thatcher's old constituency?

Yes it is.... Coincidently I was acquainted with the current MP, Mike Freer, in a previous job.

Oakenbeach · 16/10/2019 23:16

35 SNP + 1 Plaid + 1 NI (Hermon) + 18 LDems

Why only 1 Plaid MP?

Butterymuffin · 16/10/2019 23:18

Louise Ellman (MP for Liverpool Riverside) has left the Labour party.

ContinuityError · 16/10/2019 23:18

“No British PM could accept a border within the United Kingdom”

Boris promised that to the DUP at their conference last year too. Newsnight led with that clip this evening.

And it was Snarlene’s “blood red line” too.

thecatfromjapan · 16/10/2019 23:21

LPF isn't in the WA, apparently.

Just the PD.

tobee · 16/10/2019 23:26

Hmm. Interesting timing re Dame Louise Ellman MP.....

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2019 23:34

Louise Ellman's letter of resignation

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tobee · 16/10/2019 23:37

God I've only just discovered that these threads are called Westminstenders and not Westminsterenders. Hangs head in shame BlushBlushBlushMy world is shattered!! My phone only knows Westminsterenders

prettybird · 16/10/2019 23:38

tobee - both have been used over the yearsSmile

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/10/2019 23:40

RTB

That letter is so sad to read.

LurpakIsTheOnlyButter · 16/10/2019 23:42

I'm NOT ready for ffing Brexit.

I told DH to watch his weight today as he is putting on a few pounds. Then I gave him corn on the cob with butter, loaded potato skins and a big cheesy quiche.

Then I felt bad and drank Wine

Then I raided the stash, gave him a Yorkie and I had a toffee crisp. I've never eaten so much chocolate. I'm not ready at all, the stash needs more sweets because the thought of living in misery on pasta for months is awful and I don't like all the tinned rice pudding I have bought (lots).

I have anxiety because 96 loo rolls is not enough. And every time I stock up I think of something else I don't have a spare of.

I keep hoping for the best (least worst), preparing for the worst but I am feeling pretty anxious that I have no idea which way anything is going despite all my reading, news watching, learning of all things politics, regulations and laws.

I consider myself to be educated and intelligent, and I can't guess where my country will be in a couple of weeks.

I hate this. Thank god for you lot.

Also - add Rennie's to the stash after the wine, lard and chocs

Outsomnia · 16/10/2019 23:49

Ellman never mentioned Corbyn's approach to Brexit though. But is right otherwise.

Interesting and a little disappointing too....

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2019 23:49

www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/10152173/boris-johnson-invoke-eu-law-loophole-delay-brexit/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Boris Johnson urged to use EU laws to dodge a delay to Brexit if a deal is not agreed in last-ditch talks

European law takes precedent over British law is the key apparently

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SwedishEdith · 16/10/2019 23:49

Finchley & Golders Green is where Luciana Berger will stand as a Lib Dem.

tobee · 16/10/2019 23:54

That thing from The Sun is so ludicrous. This is one reason why Johnson was such an idiot to say we're leaving on October 31st.

Outsomnia · 16/10/2019 23:54

Obvious now that no one REALLY wants a crash out anymore and there is a lot going on to try to avoid it, despite what the rags say.

It must be SO difficult for UK hubristic idiots to just say let's think it out again. But I think they know now. Lack of planning, lack of anything led them to this pass, thinking they were top dog. Sorry, not working anymore.

Peregrina · 17/10/2019 00:01

It [destruction of NHS] will happen without most people even noticing.

Although, maybe people did suspect something was going wrong - but came to completely the wrong conclusion as to the cause. Because it wasn't pointed out strongly enough that destruction of the NHS/austerity was a choice that the Tories chose to inflict on the population. The NHS is still the Labour party's biggest trump card; people do not trust the Tories on the NHS.

Hoooo · 17/10/2019 00:05

Peregrina disagree.
In 2015 Cameron won a majority.
Tory voters really don't care about the nhs.

Peregrina · 17/10/2019 00:08

But May didn't get her majority in 2015! I do agree however, that Tory voters don't care about the NHS. (Or at least, the only Tory voters I know.)

mathanxiety · 17/10/2019 00:10

Who - who - consciously votes to lower working rights for their children and grandchildren?

A little story:
My exMIL was a dyed in the wool Republican (GOP). Proudly told everyone who would listen and plenty who wouldn't except they couldn't escape, how much she she hated those Democrats. Inflicted the rabid rantings of Rush Limbaugh on hapless passengers in her car...

In due course her DCs grew up, got jobs, got married and had DCs of their own. The SILs had to go back to work six weeks after delivery. Nobody could get more than a week off work every year. One of them was 'let go' without any warning and escorted from his workplace carrying his cardboard box with family photos, mug from the office kitchen, and lunch from the fridge. One lived in penury for three years and couldn't contemplate having a third child ever, thanks to a medical bill incurred in the course of the birth of her second child.

Unbelievably, exMIL still couldn't wrap her head around reality or assign blame where it belonged. Or bring herself to vote for the party supporting workers' rights even as mildly and timidly as the Democratic Party does.

LurpakIsTheOnlyButter · 17/10/2019 00:11

The NHS has been battered and bruised for years, sold out from under us.

I worked for the NHS. I was so angry all of the time, seeing underfunded services sold out to the lowest bidder with no concern for quality or the people we were supposed to be serving.

I worked in a service that was disregarded and my patients were neglected. I had enough and I walked. I now work in a non NHS service, providing NHS services for less money and no pension.

But my service is excellent and my patients get the best care I can give them, without NHS management/underfunding and sticking plasters to fix problems.

That hurts, because I love the NHS and what it Should be.

Peregrina · 17/10/2019 00:17

mathanxiety - I was hoping you would relate that ex-MIL had had a Damascene conversion, but it wasn't so.

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