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Westminstenders: Showdown

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RedToothBrush · 13/10/2019 20:22

Big week ahead.

Johnson has until Tuesday Afternoon to get his shit together for the EU.

He thinks it can be down, but still lots to do in that time.

This week we have the Queen's Speech too, which is going to be misused as a party political broadcast.

Remember if the government can't pass the QS, there's a crisis that gets generated as a direct result. Sticking in proposals that any liberal or leftie will struggle with, is deliberately provoking a crisis of that nature. A proposal of that type would have to be anti democratic in nature, like... Ermmm... Voter ID. Hell, well what do you know.

Johnson is still after his election because as it stands he's a passenger stuck in the runaway train of his own creation.

Talk of a deal breakthrough is still overstated too. The DUP and many of the usual ERG suspects have poured water on the idea. And many on the opposition benches are pushing hard on a confirmary ref being needed for a deal - they don't have the numbers yet, but talk is that they are close. We also have loyalist military making threats about an Irish Sea Border solution.

Time for Project Shit Meets Fan.

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thecatfromjapan · 16/10/2019 21:02

Gaspode That is very true. He really has run around promoting himself, electioneering, causing havoc.

It's shocking.

Basilpots · 16/10/2019 21:08

scramnews.com/mps-will-not-have-say-post-brexit-trade-deals-liz-truss/

This isn’t great.

Whichever Government is in charge.

SonEtLumiere · 16/10/2019 21:11

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Sostenueto · 16/10/2019 21:19

If anyone thinks that the people of this country would lay down and allow the Tories to privatise the NHS then you live in cuckoo land. The people would definitely rise as one then!Angry

ListeningQuietly · 16/10/2019 21:24

Just in case any of us think this is a new omnishambles clusterfuck

Outsomnia · 16/10/2019 21:27

I think at this stage I want to wake up after 31/10 and find out what the F is going on or has been decided!

It really is farcical now, 3.5 years and growing and not a decision in sight. Well apart from bungs and bribes and a lot of mush. But still no decisions. Honestly what the F do they want, as opposed to what they do NOT want.

So glad to be away over the Hallowee'n deadline (Yes another one of those that I don't believe will happen). So will look on from afar.

I hope, whatever happens that us kinda normal people are protected. Big ask I know.

Butterymuffin · 16/10/2019 21:54

Quite worried about what shitfest Johnson is going to get us into, that's worse than May's deal, all to meet his stupid deadline.

thecatfromjapan · 16/10/2019 22:05

Little light relief.
Apparently, this is a letter sent by Trump to Erdogan.

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thecatfromjapan · 16/10/2019 22:08

So many 'if onlys' with Brexit.
If only Trump could just disappear & be replaced with someone sensible, I can't help but feel the wheels would fall off Brexit fat sooner.

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Basilpots · 16/10/2019 22:12

This will give you an opportunity to demonstrate compliance with the .eu regulatory framework (for example by notifying EURid that you have a legally established entity in the EEA, updating residence to an EU or EEA member state, or demonstrating EU citizenship). It is not clear whether it will be possible to demonstrate eligibility after 1 January 2020.

Extract from .eu domain names from Government. Should provoke some interesting conversations in Leave.eu H.Q. GrinGrin

Somerville · 16/10/2019 22:19

Interesting update mobile.twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1184574115287572481

Peregrina · 16/10/2019 22:22

If anyone thinks that the people of this country would lay down and allow the Tories to privatise the NHS then you live in cuckoo land. The people would definitely rise as one then!

I would love you to be right on this one, because 'more money for the NHS' was the only positive thing voted for in the Referendum. I am not counting any chickens yet because we have seen privatisation by stealth going on in the NHS over the past 10 years and we haven't seen an uprising.

Basilpots · 16/10/2019 22:29

Interesting Sommerville will that give the ERG a ladder from which to climb down ?

I can see that the return of the level playing field might help with some Labour MP’s and exiled Tory’s but it seems to fly in the face of the ERG ?

Intriguing.

OffTheShelfElf · 16/10/2019 22:33

@Sostenueto it's happening slowly already. ☹️

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/10/2019 22:34

ListeningQuietly
The two Johns were absolutely brilliant

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 22:48

To be legally binding, the level playing field would have to be in the WA, as with May's WA
i.e. this WA would have to be basically May's WA, but with a different NI-only backstop

Basilpots · 16/10/2019 22:54

Isn’t that what the EU suggested way back in 2017 BCF ??

Oakenbeach · 16/10/2019 22:56

Interesting poll!

Finchley & Golders Green Westminster voting intention:

LDEM: 41% (+34)
CON: 29% (-18)
LAB: 25% (-19)
GRN: 3% (+1)
BREX: 2% (+2)

via
@Survation
, 02 Oct
Chgs. w/ 2017 result.

Somerville · 16/10/2019 22:59

Basilpots It’s I think what May nearly signed off on with Barnier, only to have Arlene phone up and threaten to call off their confidence and supply.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 22:59

Saturday would be at most to see if MPs approve the WA in principle

Interesting to read Sam Coates view

  • when I totted up the numbers, my calculation also was that the votes for this WA aren't there:

35 SNP + 1 Plaid + 1 NI (Hermon) + 18 LDems would vote against (Lamb again would want the the LPF afaik)
so 55 votes against there

The Tigger remnants would vote against, too

Hardly any Labour Leave MPs - I don't count Hoey - would vote for it without the level playing field for workers rights
and the ERG wouldn't vote for it with the LPF, as that would prevent their FTAs with the USA etc

Even with the current deal, Paterson & IDS said yesterday they would never vote for it, maybe 2-5 Tories in total
which would cancel out the Labour Leavers

I'd expect Hammond & most other Tory rebels to want a close future trade relationship with the EU, to save the economy, hence they'll want the LPF, to enable something like the SM
So most of the 22 rebels against

tobee · 16/10/2019 23:02

Is Finchley and Golders Green Thatcher's old constituency?

Somerville · 16/10/2019 23:03

After that May started the “No British PM could accept a border within the United Kingdom” spiel - despite having been on the verge of doing so. Hmm
Will the timing and desperation mean Johnson gets it through?
If it really keeps things unchanged for the north of Ireland - and especially if it also contains level playing field regs for whole UK - I would be pleased for it to get through. But that doesn’t seem at all likely.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 23:04

Yep, Basil The EU would be trying to repackage May's deal, but with the NI-only backstop
Fine for them, as they never liked the UK-wide backstop - it gave the UK most of the SM trade advantages without FOM

So, BJ is getting a worse deal, even if LPF remains

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 23:05

"No British PM without a penis could accept a border within the United Kingdom”

Somerville · 16/10/2019 23:07

I don’t know whether I want to laugh or cry at that, BCF.

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