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Westminstenders: Showdown

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RedToothBrush · 13/10/2019 20:22

Big week ahead.

Johnson has until Tuesday Afternoon to get his shit together for the EU.

He thinks it can be down, but still lots to do in that time.

This week we have the Queen's Speech too, which is going to be misused as a party political broadcast.

Remember if the government can't pass the QS, there's a crisis that gets generated as a direct result. Sticking in proposals that any liberal or leftie will struggle with, is deliberately provoking a crisis of that nature. A proposal of that type would have to be anti democratic in nature, like... Ermmm... Voter ID. Hell, well what do you know.

Johnson is still after his election because as it stands he's a passenger stuck in the runaway train of his own creation.

Talk of a deal breakthrough is still overstated too. The DUP and many of the usual ERG suspects have poured water on the idea. And many on the opposition benches are pushing hard on a confirmary ref being needed for a deal - they don't have the numbers yet, but talk is that they are close. We also have loyalist military making threats about an Irish Sea Border solution.

Time for Project Shit Meets Fan.

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cherin · 16/10/2019 10:41

Oh well, that’s not he same thing as promising to not fuck up in some other way...

54321go · 16/10/2019 10:42

Ellie56 Wed 16-Oct-19 09:42:23

And how many billions has this Tory Brexshit already cost?
Flicking over some of today's papers briefly, one said about £70 Billion
it would probably be refuted. it will be a lot anyway.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 16/10/2019 10:43

Barclay was very cagey over that. Very much backed into a corner and not wanting to give a firm answer.

Somerville · 16/10/2019 10:46

I am worried the votes are there tbh - I think there will be enough Labour mps to support it.

This worries me too...

Though I don’t see how...

But why all this frenetic work into a withdrawal agreement that would never get through parliament..?

So he must have some sort of plan...

But maybe the plan is letting it fall due to lack of Labour votes, for electoral gain...?

cherin · 16/10/2019 10:53

sommerville my problem is that I don’t think he’s clever enough to have a plan.

Basilpots · 16/10/2019 10:54

Another day another poll for anyone who is remotely interested it’s ComRes.

Con 33%. (33%)
Lab 27%. (27%)
Lib 18%. (19%)
BXP 12%. (13%)

^All the refusals and don’t knows are removed the won’t votes are graded 1-10 and anyone with a 50% chance of voting is included. This sample is 54% male.

So let’s add in the don’t knows.

Con 28%
Lab 23%
Lib 15%
BXP 10%
DK. 14%
^ 67% of the DK are female.

ComRes helpfully take out the don’t knows twice in their sample so if I put everybody back in including won’t vote mind your own businesses etc...

Con. 24%
Lab. 20%
Lib. 13%
BXP 9%
Oth 7%
Won’t say 2%
DK. 17%
Won’t vote 8%

cherin · 16/10/2019 11:00

He’s never been able (or even willing) to substantiate his statements with facts. Fibs and hyperboles. Enthusiasm and words, he’s superficial, inconsistent, self centred and weak.
At least TM was responsible. A control freak, uncommunicative and narrow minded, but I think she felt the responsibility deeply. Loads of mistakes she did anyway, but she passed for a grown up most of the time.
This one??

Ellie56 · 16/10/2019 11:04

And her "deal" even though a crock of shit was better than this crock of shit currently being peddled.

ListeningQuietly · 16/10/2019 11:08

Dead cat placemark.
Sums up the situation IMHO

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Basilpots · 16/10/2019 11:12

Where is all this money coming from?

My son has a ‘magical’ £10 note of his Gran every year. He ‘forgets’ it and it gets spent at least 5 times over before I remember to get it off him.

I think BJ £350m from the side of the bus will be exactly the same. Magical money spent over and over.

prettybird · 16/10/2019 11:15

Someone on the J O'B show (catching the tail end of it so don't know who it was though he sounded like a pesky expert Wink) has just pointed out that Barclay didn't explicitly say that BJ would send it - just that it would be sent.

So it could be Mark Sedwill or other representative of the government. So BJ could avoid being "dead in a ditch". Used the example of a Minister who stated that he hadn't read a particular report - which was technically true as he'd had the report read to him Hmm

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/10/2019 11:18

It’s getting interesting now. I don’t think they can take steps to undermine the extension request because every one will be scrutinising it so closely. It would be straight to court if they did.

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 16/10/2019 11:21

Place marking with Mark Francois vs Stop Brexit man on the bbc just now.

mobile.twitter.com/SoozUK/status/1184412253665320960

RosiePosiePuddle · 16/10/2019 11:21

And how many billions has this Tory Brexshit already cost?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-economy-deal-boris-johnson-withdrawal-agreement-nhs-a9157461.html

"Brexit has already cost the UK economy almost £70bn – the equivalent of £440m a week or £840 for every household in the country each year – according to a new report from the Centre for European Reform released on Friday."

Is that £840 or 3 x £840 (£2520) per household since the referendum?

A ridiculous amount of money. But still nothing in comparison to if Brexit goes ahead.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 16/10/2019 11:24

@UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe Grin the comments are funny too.

RosiePosiePuddle · 16/10/2019 11:31

Where is all this money coming from?

The austerity savings? The cruel, pointless and falsely economical "savings" from the vulnerable and foundations of society. All splurged by someone who never had to deprive themselves.

Unless actually there was money all the time and they were just keeping it for a rainy day. While people suffered.

It honestly breaks my heart. And as many people said, we would come to miss TM. That fucking breaks my heart to realise that is true.

Peregrina · 16/10/2019 11:35

Seems as though Mark Francois doesn't like people exercising their democratic right to protest. Would he have called a Leaver an idiot?

Ellie56 · 16/10/2019 11:36

It comes to something when the current incumbent of Number 10 makes TM look good. Sad

RosiePosiePuddle · 16/10/2019 11:44

Something else to make TM look good: www.theguardian.com/film/2019/oct/08/boris-johnson-film-script-mission-to-syria

Sorry if I am late to the party, but I have only just learnt about boris Johnson's foray in writing film scripts (an Indiana Jones-type adventure with a George Clooney-esque 50ish English aristocrat as the hero and Angelina Jolie as the sidekick).

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 11:45

The Confederation of British Industry has admitted it exaggerated the “eye-watering” £196bn price tag that it claimed Labour’s nationalisation plans would cost.

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/16/cbi-admits-error-in-196bn-price-tag-for-labour-plans

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 11:49

Tony Connelly✔@tconnellyRTE

BREAKING:
Michel Barnier has told EU Commissioners he is optimistic of getting a deal done today, @rtenews understands

Ellie56 · 16/10/2019 11:53

God that script sounds spectacularly awful. You would be almost tempted to say, "Don't give up the day job," if it were not for the fact that he is even more spectacularly awful at the day job.

DGRossetti · 16/10/2019 11:53

The austerity savings? The cruel, pointless and falsely economical "savings" from the vulnerable and foundations of society. All splurged by someone who never had to deprive themselves.

Austerity cost the UK more than it saved. Look at the bedroom tax. There was an official breakdown of "savings" a while back, which showed it was costing money. But if the poor, ill and hopefully less white in society get put in their place, it was money well spent. After all you end up out of pocket when the rat-catchers been. (Or the Cockroach killer, if your name is rhyming slang for "Tory cunt".)

Todays PE cover Grin

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Ellie56 · 16/10/2019 11:55

BREAKING: Michel Barnier has told EU Commissioners he is optimistic of getting a deal done today,@rtenews understands

Eek! Shock

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/10/2019 11:58

I think the irony will be that BJ’s deal will contain more concessions than the TM deal they all undermined but the ERG will probably have to accept it.