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Westminstenders: Showdown

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RedToothBrush · 13/10/2019 20:22

Big week ahead.

Johnson has until Tuesday Afternoon to get his shit together for the EU.

He thinks it can be down, but still lots to do in that time.

This week we have the Queen's Speech too, which is going to be misused as a party political broadcast.

Remember if the government can't pass the QS, there's a crisis that gets generated as a direct result. Sticking in proposals that any liberal or leftie will struggle with, is deliberately provoking a crisis of that nature. A proposal of that type would have to be anti democratic in nature, like... Ermmm... Voter ID. Hell, well what do you know.

Johnson is still after his election because as it stands he's a passenger stuck in the runaway train of his own creation.

Talk of a deal breakthrough is still overstated too. The DUP and many of the usual ERG suspects have poured water on the idea. And many on the opposition benches are pushing hard on a confirmary ref being needed for a deal - they don't have the numbers yet, but talk is that they are close. We also have loyalist military making threats about an Irish Sea Border solution.

Time for Project Shit Meets Fan.

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BackInTime · 16/10/2019 09:18

Amazing how Brexiters main reasons for leaving the EU is the billions we send to the EU while ignoring billions given to the DUP.

Also strangely no mention of the £39billion divorce bill recently Hmm

Ellie56 · 16/10/2019 09:34

I would take your child to school and refuse to take him out again until you have the official letter from the Head Teacher giving the length and reason for exclusion.

Ellie56 · 16/10/2019 09:36

Oops sorry wrong thread Blush

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 09:40

Barnier briefing EU Ambassadors at 1 pm today

EUCO meeting is tomorrow and Friday

After that, if no WA has been agreed, BJ must ask for an extension,
so in practical terms the pressure to do so piles onto him on Monday 21 Oct

  • 10 days before Brexit
Ellie56 · 16/10/2019 09:42

And how many billions has this Tory Brexshit already cost?

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 16/10/2019 09:43

How are bribes even permitted?

Oakenbeach · 16/10/2019 09:48

Interested tweet from Robert Peston earlier:

“Downing St AGAIN downbeat there will be deal. Government source telling me: “Chances of a deal are low. DUP seem unlikely to support anything that's negotiable”. This follows the meeting with DUP last night. To be clear, as I said last night, this could be final warning to @MichelBarnier to give ground in last leg of talks, or could mean we are back in no-deal territory.“

ContinuityError · 16/10/2019 09:48

How are bribes even permitted?

Call it an economic investment package or some such and hey presto! It’s no longer a bribe.

prettybird · 16/10/2019 09:51

An "economic investment package" to compensate them for still having the economic advantage of being in the CU/SM Confused

lonelyplanetmum · 16/10/2019 10:00

DUP seem unlikely to support anything that's negotiable

They are just holding out for the max payment.

mrslaughan · 16/10/2019 10:01

@BercowsFlyingFlamingo - by not calling them bribes ..... which they clearing are.....

mrslaughan · 16/10/2019 10:04

@prettybird - you hit the nail on the head

It always disgusts me how people who are religious are prepared to do immoral things in the name of their religion

lazylittlelucy · 16/10/2019 10:06

On my way to Brussels this morning with a @BestForBritain cross party delegation of MPs for a back to back day of meetings on the importance of an extension to give us time to hold the #finalsay public vote on Brexit. I’ll try to keep you updated here throughout the day

Maybe this is why Vince Cable et al were on the Eurostar...

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 10:06

"It always disgusts me how people who are religious are prepared to do immoral things in the name of their religion"

Those who do so regard the rest of us as damned, so lying to us and hurting us doesn't count

lazylittlelucy · 16/10/2019 10:08

On my way to Brussels this morning with a @BestForBritain cross party delegation of MPs for a back to back day of meetings on the importance of an extension to give us time to hold the #finalsay public vote on Brexit. I’ll try to keep you updated here throughout the day

Maybe this is why Vince Cable et al were on the Eurostar...

Oops ...that was Naomi Smith, @pimlicat...

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 16/10/2019 10:10

Why can't Barclay just say yes to answer the bloody question?? I like Hilary Benn. He reminds me of the judge who bollocked my exH when he took me to court Grin

I have tea and toast and am watching BBC Parliament before cracking on with the disaster zone that is my house.

MockersthefeMANist · 16/10/2019 10:15

Ye Gods, golden statues of Arlene Foster on evey roundabout in NI?

What is crystal is that we are not ready for any deal and there would need to be an extension. What then?

(They're sticking their fingers in their ears and going lalalalalala)

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 10:16

Paul Brand@PaulBrandITV

Today could be a big one...

  • Brexit talks continue in Brussels

  • PM could put a deal to cabinet at 4pm

  • He then meets 1922 committee 7.30pm

+ Late tonight govt could lay motion for Saturday sitting of parliament to approve deal

The parts are all there, but still moving.

Ellie56 · 16/10/2019 10:17

How is it even possible to bribe one part of the UK to sell the rest of the UK down the river?

yolofish · 16/10/2019 10:22

I am listening to All About Politics while engaged in displacement activity - using toxic stuff to get combination of wax and inground dirt off terracotta kitchen floor before resealing it. The fumes are making me a bit woozy, which given the state of the country is a Good Thing.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 10:23

imo, even in the v unlikely event of agreement with Barnier's team AND a legal text AND that text being agreed by EUCO ......

the votes are still not there, at least not for this kind of WA

Would any Labour MPs - Hoey doesn't count - vote for a deal without the protection of workers rights etc that the level playing field provided ?

Also, even the ERG still have some holdouts, IDS & Patterson so far oppose it

  • although they would look even dafter than usual if the DUP Bung-For-Vote works

Paul Brand@PaulBrandITV

Owen Paterson says a customs partnership or any other “dual tariffs” arrangement for NI would be “unacceptable”.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2019 10:25

"How is it even possible to bribe one part of the UK to sell the rest of the UK down the river?"

When the bunger is a crooked weasel who doesn't give a shit about the UK
and
the bungees don't give a shit either about the UK, just that that they can stay in it forever and not join the Bogeyland where Catholics roam free

OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/10/2019 10:37

I am worried the votes are there tbh - I think there will be enough Labour mps to support it.

cherin · 16/10/2019 10:39

I just left a meeting with a bunch of managers for companies in the construction industry that have teams disseminated in NI, ROI and north of England. Main market: London.
They are terrified. The main message is: we are not ready for no deal, because no preparation is possible for no deal. Therefore we can’t have no deal. Right? (And they looked at me when asking that. Ahahahaha. As if I could confirm. They’re 20 years older than me, btw, it’s unsettling to see older men feeling uncertain. It’s usually the other way around and I have to drag them down a notch or two from their superiority rungs...)
Some of them have already seen their pension funds accrued under Carillon years wiped out. It’s all very palpable and real if you’ve lived through a real crisis before. It’s not on paper.

Having said so
Is today when we hold our breath? Not Saturday?

HE JUST SAID HE’LL ASK for a delay!!!

cherin · 16/10/2019 10:40

From the bbc
Boris Johnson will bow to the law and send a letter requesting a delay to Brexit if he fails to pass a deal by Saturday's deadline, a cabinet minister has said for the first time.
Stephen Barclay, the Brexit secretary, ended weeks of defiance by No 10, admitting the government "will comply" with the commitment it gave to a Scottish court last month.
"I confirm that the government will abide by what it set out in that letter," he told a committee of MPs.