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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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flouncyfanny · 24/09/2019 19:44

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 24/09/2019 19:45

Advance PMK

Octonaught · 24/09/2019 19:45

Pmk ready for tomorrow
Thank you RTB!

kingsassassin · 24/09/2019 19:45

Thanks red.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 24/09/2019 19:46

Thanks red

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/09/2019 19:46

Thanks Red, babe Grin

by way of a placemat

I DID ESPY GOODY HALE AND HER ENTIRE COVEN CAVORTING WIDDERSHINS AROUND A GREAT GLITTERING SPIDER.

AND, BENEATH THEIR CLOTHES THEY WERE ALL NAKED AS THE DAY THEY WERE BORN

derxa · 24/09/2019 19:46

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ClashCityRocker · 24/09/2019 19:47

Early pmk.

One thing I find concerning is how much such important things are being primarily considered in light of how it will, or won't, impact brexit.

I know there are quite reasonable calls for codification of the constitution. I don't think it will be a good idea for this to happen when EVERYTHING is about brexit.

lonelyplanetmum · 24/09/2019 19:47

Thank you* right honourable RTB*

bellinisurge · 24/09/2019 19:48

Pmk and massive thanks.

ListeningQuietly · 24/09/2019 19:48

It needs reiterating till we are all hoarse
the killer question was
what is to stop parliament being prorogued for a year
it was not about Brexit, it was about democracy

on that we should focus

TheCaddyisaBaddie · 24/09/2019 19:48

Pmk

PestyMachtubernahme · 24/09/2019 19:48

Pm know

Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament
ClashCityRocker · 24/09/2019 19:51

He's a beauty pesty, what unusual colouring!

DeRigueurMortis · 24/09/2019 19:51

PMK

DarkAtEndOfUk · 24/09/2019 19:52

PMK although I might not get the chance to read it all before this thread's finished then! Grin

BestIsWest · 24/09/2019 19:52

Pmk

mineisawhiskeychaser · 24/09/2019 19:53

Boris will hold his nerve, after all the supreme court failed to offer a neutral verdict. It is only their view, and just a view. It changes nothing.

The commons will empty apart from the obvious faces.
Johnson will call for another prorogue as the Queens speech is already scheduled, and they will all go to the conference.

It is a miscalculation that Labour will win if the vote is in November and we still haven't left, leave will vote Boris, and a landslide will be his for the taking.

And this vile assault on our democracy will be over once and for all.

LizzieSiddal · 24/09/2019 19:53

PMK

Thank you RTB for your wonderful summary OPs.Flowers

NotaRealLawyer · 24/09/2019 19:56

Present. Thank you RTB and company.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/09/2019 19:56

pmk. Listening to the latest remaniac podcast.

SilentNightTime · 24/09/2019 19:57

I appreciate these threads more and more. Thank you.

PestyMachtubernahme · 24/09/2019 19:59

Which vile assault is that, Mine ?

placemats · 24/09/2019 19:59

I wanted the lectern to be holding PMQs tomorrow.

Peace
Mediation
Kick ass

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:59

The referendum undermined normal democratic routine and procedures.

Brexit has always been about undermining the functioning of Liberal democracy with some using it to instigate a plebiscite against our democratic institutions in order to establish a new system devoid of checks and balances which exposes minorities and vulnerable groups to the tyranny of the majority and for the political gain of an elite minority.

This has been done through deliberate attempts to intimidate and establishing a new culture of fear.

Brexit and the future of democracy in this country have always walked hand in hand from the day leave.eu and vote leave were set up.

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