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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 26/09/2019 08:33

Unfortunately, my slug of an MP is a fully paid up ERGer. There is no point in my trying to appeal to him.

Random18 · 26/09/2019 08:33

I will be writing to my MP today. He is a junior minister and supposedly a 'One Nation' Tory. In fairness to him, even though he is a follower I do not believe he is an extremist. Hes just very self driven.

Songsofexperience · 26/09/2019 08:36

Time to sell UK assets...
Of course this is precisely the point. Sell off the UK to foreign investors. Sovereignty brexit style.

Random18 · 26/09/2019 08:36

Is it also worth writing to your local Tory Councillors? I know mine are reasonable people. I don't always agree with them but they are active in the community and not frothing at the mouth Brexiteers.

Ask them as local Tory's to speak to the MP?

MockersthefeMANist · 26/09/2019 08:37

Well we've had Cleverly on R4 Today this morning tieing himself in knots attempting to defend the indefensible and suggesting it's all the fault of the opposition.

PostNotInHaste · 26/09/2019 08:40

I emailed my MP earlier. He is a member of the Star Chamber so hardcore but I have seen him do work with the homeless and I think that he is probably fundamentally a decent human being. He voted for WA on final vote having voted against twice previously so has shown he can change his stance.

Have said that this is about so much more than Brexit now and that we need good people to speak up. I’d like to think he might take a bit of time to reflect and do so.

berlinbabylon · 26/09/2019 08:42

Is it also worth writing to your local Tory Councillors? I know mine are reasonable people. I don't always agree with them but they are active in the community and not frothing at the mouth Brexiteers

Possibly. There is one in my area who is very active on social media, he's not my councillor but knows our MP well. There's also another guy elsewhere in the constituency who is a remainer and doesn't come across as hard-line. I might contact both of them, thank you for the suggestion.

NoWordForFluffy · 26/09/2019 08:43

I emailed my MP. Trying to appeal to his better side on a personal level. Also said I don't want an identikit response to the last two which haven't even addressed my queries.

borntobequiet · 26/09/2019 08:44

I will email my MP but fear I am on a hiding to nothing as her responses have become pretty much worthless - she no longer even pretends to address the issues and points raised.
Having said that, she was a Hunt supporter and just might be sickened enough by BJ to actually develop a spine.

MockersthefeMANist · 26/09/2019 08:48

Just emailed the following to my MP:

Dear Mr Ellwood

I did not vote for you but I have listend to you in various interviews and consider you a man of honour and integrity who only wants the best for our country.

I feel compelled to write to you because of last night's appalling performance by the prime minister and his attitude to women MPs in particular.

We are all aware of the terrible political climate at the moment and female politicians have been especially targetted by online abusers who have shown that among their number there are those who will act on their threats.

The murderer of Jo Cox shouted "Death to traitors." This language of betaryal, collaboration, capitulation, surrender etc has no place in political discourse. As a soldier, you will know better than me that in real wars, people get hurt.

I must therefore ask you to make whatever representations you can to ask, demand, beg and implore those in office at all levels to moderate ther language in the interests of national unity and common decency.

Thank You

Random18 · 26/09/2019 09:05

Mockers your NP has been on Twitter this morning

Reflecting on Parliament today:

^Not sure we can look the nation in the eye & say that was a good day at the office.
The maths is simple. This is a minority Gov. We need a couple dozen friends to support a Brexit deal. There was nothing friendly about today. Let’s learn from this t.co/JFYkLOU4qi^

Basilpots · 26/09/2019 09:12

My MP exchanged his backbone for a pair of ‘Spartans’ gladiator sandals when he joined the ERG. Email sent for all the good it will do.

QueenMabby · 26/09/2019 09:16

My MP is one of the Tories standing down at the next election so not sure if there’s much worth in emailing.

360eyes · 26/09/2019 09:33

I'm not a Conservative voter Mojo (more of a floating voter who will not vote Conservative anymore), but I think that is a well written letter. So glad to hear that Conservative voters are contacting their MP's about Boris's arrogant and disgusting behaviour last night.

I have far less knowledge of politics and law than many of the posters on this thread (although I'm not one of these Daily Express reading morons who think we should just crash out and everything will be all milkshakes and rainbows), and some of these posts and articles posted on this thread have been a real eye opener to me, so thank you all for those.

I can't help but feel utter despair and frustration, especially since people still see Boris as this kind of lovable buffoon who will get the job done, and not the narcissistic, reckless and entitled moron that he is. The fact that you can't get through to people who thinks his behaviour is acceptable is what really scares me. I fear if there were a GE, people will vote the same as before (with some gains for Lib Dems perhaps) and nothing would change.

I am also in a Conservative area and believe I'm in the no point in bothering in writing to them group.

cherin · 26/09/2019 09:33

I’ve been reading and I’ve been listening and I really must thank all of you for being so considerate and intelligent and moral.
You really make a difference to my outlook on the country.
Yesterday every single time BJ repeated the “20.000 policeman” shit my brain was thinking of blackshirts. 20.000 of them.
It’s been said over and over, but “it can’t happen here” and “these are things that happen to others” is fundamentally wrong, if we don’t do something it can (and it probably will) happen to our democracy too.
So, Bj has been a great performer yesterday. He did exactly what he was supposed to do, ruthlessly. He needed to spin the story, go from guilty to victim, and get to the wider audience the perception that he’s a strong man, that he’s doing his best to Get Us Out.
We know he’s spinning it as “people vs parliament” and imo he’s doing it well.
My teen listened for a while and he didn’t pick up on the bumbling bits, but on how concise and direct were his closing lines, always. Like a mantra. Get brexit done. Deliver on the will of the people. Blablabla.
The world is chocofull of strong men now, that’s what sells. More than 5 words and they don’t listen.
Our moderate and cross-party discussions are going to go out of fashion very quickly...
What does he want with this?
He wants to look strong. At this point it probably matters less when the GE is going to be than how strong is the image he can project.
He wants to dismiss “hysterical woman” and “people that talk” as time-wasters, weaklings, people you can’t trust in the time of crisis (of his own making, ndr).
He’s a polished version of Mussolini or Milosevic, updated for the 21st century.
Both of them ended up badly, but only after having dragged their people through horrors and civil war.
How do we defuse this? It takes only an unstable chap to trigger another killing, and we all know who’s the most likely type of target.
He’ll keep on portraying us as not moderate, but moaners. Not reasonable, but time wasters.

How do we dig him a pit that’s so full of gloopy shit that he can’t climb up by himself and nobody will try to help him? And prevent Farage from stepping in?
I think making him look ridiculous and weak would be the best way, but it’ll only get to his audience if it’s a particular type of ridiculousness. Him being corrupt and banging a young girl will just gain him brownie points.

We should reach out and say out loud the basics that he’s trying to erase from public conscience.
No winners and no losers. Trump’s language got to the U.K., he’s the one that started calling his critics “losers”. BJ is the same, the gloomers the doomers etc....It’s no wonder the amount of problems with mental health if at any step in our lives we need to judge ourselves as winners or losers. I watched my dad die not long ago. He was a fighter and a winner in life, I suppose, but at the end are only people and we all lose to death.

Listen. Not to respond, but to listen.
And then do something to help, if you can. Even if you can’t, listening helps.

Reach out and bond with someone you don’t agree with?

DGRossetti · 26/09/2019 09:37

How do we CTL + ALT + DEL our politics though?

Invented conflict with some sort of spurious justification - nations destiny etc etc, defending our way of life etc etc

Are we too far gone for redemption?

Depends how many people are prepared to see their sons packed off to war, really. Or, being more exact, depends how many people are prepared to see other peoples sons packed off to war, really.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 26/09/2019 09:40

Mockers I've used your letter as the basis of my email to my MP. Thank you.

ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2019 09:56

It is WELL WORTH writing to County Councillors and Unitary Council members
if a Tory government loses control of the shires it loses control of the country

Caroline Nokes dad was the head of Hampshire County Council
he is a One Nation Tory

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2019 10:04

Superb posts, @redtoothbrush that sum up the dangers we are facing and why
Dreadful situation for the country

I was asked about Brexit by a colleague again this morning and when I related BJ's frightening behaviour last evening,
they were all Shock and Sad

The parallells to Germany in the late 1920s / early 1930s are obvious:
we only need the economic collapse - which No Deal Brexit can provide - to usher in a full-blown fascist dictatorship.

Excellent letter too, from mojo
Some Tory MPs may still be reachable, including Brexiter ones - some MPs, like most Leave voters, just wanted Brexit, not to create a fascist state

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 26/09/2019 10:14

Need to catch up but quite disturbed to realise they Dominic grieve looks like the boyfriend I had when I was 18. Someone on the front bench has his haircut too.

TheElementsSong · 26/09/2019 10:16

Just wanted to say what excellent letters by mojo and mockers Smile

360eyes · 26/09/2019 10:30

The parallells to Germany in the late 1920s / early 1930s are obvious:
we only need the economic collapse - which No Deal Brexit can provide - to usher in a full-blown fascist dictatorship.

This is scary. There is talk of a global collapse again regardless of Brexit. Many countries in the world are already trying to save their economies by doing the equivalent of putting plasters over huge gaping wounds and just hoping for the best.

Apileofballyhoo · 26/09/2019 10:38

When the Tories were clapping BJ's first statement - there were around 80 Tory MPs who did not clap and sat cross armed and stoney faced.

That's cheered me up a bit.

Flowers for all of you. I'm weighed down by this and it's not my country (though I do have family living in England). I can't imagine how I'd feel if I was from the UK.

I'm also worried about Ireland. I don't want this evil to spread to here.

I will also take this moment to remind you all of the Common Travel Area. There is another country where you are entitled to live and work. If it holds.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 26/09/2019 10:59

Just joining the chorus of horror at last night in Parliament, and congratulations to mojo and moggers for their emails to their respective MPs. I do so wish I had not lost my vote because I moved abroad many years ago, I hate this feeling of impotence and watching my country disintegrate into a ghastly fascist disrespect of anyone deemed to be the "other". Let alone the economic ramifications, and worst of all, to my mind, the almost complete disregard for the GFA and what went before it.
Thank you also to RedToothBrush, whose analysis I greatly value whenever I can bring myself to read these threads in full without fear of immediate apoplexy.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 26/09/2019 11:08

BJ was foul yesterday. However, it is important that all sides change their behaviour. There is a deep and vile misogyny on both sides.

John McDonell on Ester McVey
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-42682854/audio-of-john-mcdonnell-s-2014-lynching-remark

They all need to grow up and behave like adults not swaggering teenagers.

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