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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Hoooo · 24/09/2019 20:20

bear
Bare faced lies and misinformation like those shown by the 2 posters you mention MUST be challenged.
Pointing out FACT is not fucking "gloating"!

Bearbehind · 24/09/2019 20:20

yolo I completely agree that the irony of the Supreme Court ruling being so unacceptable to people who voted to ‘take back control’, is staggering.

However we’ve long since crossed the line where logic and reason play any part here.

It’s all about emotion and feeling and this has and will continue to ignite the fury of those who believe it’s all about trying to stop them doing what they voted for.

PestyMachtubernahme · 24/09/2019 20:21

Nick Eardley
@nickeardleybbc
Understand PM told cabinet he will address MPs tomorrow
8:12 PM · Sep 24, 2019

By skype?

Bearbehind · 24/09/2019 20:22

Bare faced lies and misinformation like those shown by the 2 posters you mention MUST be challenged. Pointing out FACT is not fucking "gloating"!

That wasn’t the ‘gloating’ I was referring to. There’s been plenty of it elsewhere.

TokyoSushi · 24/09/2019 20:22

PMK, love 'thread in a day' days!

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 20:22

Danny Shaw @dannyshawbbc
BREAKING Hearing reports of serious trouble at Long Lartin prison, Worcestershire. Around 70 prisoners have apparently taken over a wing, staff have withdrawn from the wing. It’s a Category A prison - so will cause real concern. I’m told one officer was hurt.

Staff were attacked with pool balls, according to one source. Prisoners now causing damage to the wing.

One to watch and see how it plays out. Lots here that can be unpacked politically in current climate.

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2019 20:23

Thanks, red 💐

Superb summary of all the complex events happening

Gorgeous cats & dogs on Westministenders Smile

pumkinspicetime · 24/09/2019 20:23

Extreme Brexit is a cult, de radicalizing people from cults is beyond my capabilities despite having worked in specialized therapeutic services for a good number of years.
All I have at my disposal over the internet are facts and I don't think they will ever be enough.
I think silence suggests agreement however so I'm not going to do that.

Myriade · 24/09/2019 20:23

PMK

I blinked and the last thread disappeared Shock

Alsohuman · 24/09/2019 20:24

Meanwhile in the US Peloski is moving to impeach Trump.

mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1176573194112835584

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 20:25

The New York Times @nytimes
Breaking News: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to announce a formal impeachment inquiry against President Trump over his dealings with Ukraine
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/politics/democrats-impeachment-trump.html#click=t.co/A0USoX2W07" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/politics/democrats-impeachment-trump.html#click=t.co/A0USoX2W07
Nancy Pelosi Plans Formal Impeachment Inquiry of Trump
Faced with new allegations against President Trump and administration stonewalling, Democrats have ended months of caution.

Also this.

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2019 20:25

Plaid have again suggested impeaching BJ

CrunchyCarrot · 24/09/2019 20:26

thanks for the thread, Red

JRM taking questions tomorrow and not Johnson.

From a supine position, one presumes?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/09/2019 20:27

I know Parliament reconvene at 11:30 tomorrow, but when do we think the questions and stuff will start? (vague) I've got a meeting til lunchtime, so I'm hoping they will have half an hour so to make cups of tea, say hi to each other and stuff before they get down to real business. (slightly facetious there)

NoWordForFluffy · 24/09/2019 20:27

Bloody hell, PMK.

I've barely kept up today!

Flouncy, you asked about the minimum sentence for the misconduct charge. I'll have to find the sentencing guidelines on it and revert (did anybody else answer it and I've skimmed over it?).

Oh, on Only Connect last night they mentioned that Nixon was mid-flight when he was stripped of the presidency, so it went from Air Force One to having to use another call sign mid-flight. It would be amusing if the same happened to BoZo.

I had something else to mention, but I'll be buggered if I can remember it; it's been wiped. For now!

pumkinspicetime · 24/09/2019 20:27

Nancy has very sensibly tried hard to avoid this but sometimes things become impossible to ignore.
I can't see to doing much good with the suburban soft republicans they need to get to vote for them.

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 20:28

Re this tweet

Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak
1. No 10 source: “We think the Supreme Court is wrong and has made a serious mistake in extending its reach to these political matters."

Peter Walker @peterwalker99
Officials with Johnson in New York are distancing the PM from these sentiments, seemingly being briefed in London.

"He said, very clearly, that he fully respects the independence of the judiciary. I think you have to take him on his word.”

This is either a reverse ferret, or two arms of Downing Street, one in New York the other in London, giving very different messages to the media.

Once again. Who is in charge here?

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/09/2019 20:28

If it's JRM I can't bear to watch tomorrow. He makes my skin crawl.

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 20:31

Nick Eardley @nickeardleybbc
Foreign Office:

“The Foreign Secretary will be returning to the UK this evening to be in Parliament tomorrow, where he plans to update MPs on the situation with Iran."

Which he wouldn't have been able to do if parliament had been prorogued. Just, y'know, saying seeing as a potential war with Iran is pretty damn important....

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averylongtimeago · 24/09/2019 20:31

PMK with the dog looking worried about what will happen next.

Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament
PestyMachtubernahme · 24/09/2019 20:31

Boris Johnson is not due to land in the UK until midday tomorrow - half an hour after the opening of parliament, according to Downing Street.

The delay is being caused by the the prime minister's speech to the UN at 1am UK time.

Busy day for BJCumms tomorrow

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2019 20:32

I hope she washes hands thoroughly after talking to Cummings: Hmm

Laura Kuenssbergg@bbclaurak*

  1. No 10 source:
“We think the Supreme Court is wrong and has made a serious mistake in extending its reach to these political matters."
  1. Source goes on...
"Further, the Supreme Court has made it clear that its reasons are connected to the Parliamentary disputes over, and timetable for, leaving the European Union.

We think this is a further serious mistake.

  1. No 10 - "We think this is a further serious mistake. We will study the judgement carefully to consider how we can best respond in these unique circumstances.

As always the government will respect the law and comply with the courts.”

< after slagging off both >

DadDadDad · 24/09/2019 20:33

Oh, on Only Connect last night they mentioned that Nixon was mid-flight when he was stripped of the presidency, so it went from Air Force One to having to use another call sign mid-flight. It would be amusing if the same happened to BoZo.

Maybe when he lands, they'll say "there's a car here to take you to number 10" - and it's a police car to take him to holding cell number 10. Shock

NoWordForFluffy · 24/09/2019 20:35

Oh yes, I remember. Somebody said that all the polls show the Tories with big leads. Blatantly untrue, as some have been close.

However, polls can be / are inaccurate. The Tories know that. So don't trust anything they say!

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2019 20:36

Remember how we followed Patel's flight from Israel, after the revelations, on her way to be sacked as soon as she landed

And we thought those times were mad ....

but she has been allowed back into BJ's Cabinet with hardly a raised eyebrow anywhere