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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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lonelyplanetmum · 26/09/2019 12:16

Just catching up on the thread- brilliant letter mojo

pumkinspicetime · 26/09/2019 13:19

Sadly catfromjapan you couldn't get a sheet of paper between my MP and Boris and he is instinctively not a very pleasant person.
But he will get another email for all the good it will do.

zebrasdontwearbras · 26/09/2019 13:21

Mockers, I'm not even a tory voter, but I'm very envious of you, having Tobias Ellwood as an MP - I think he's a really decent bloke. He should be PM, not Boris.

Great letter, mojo - my tory MP is one of the ones standing down in the next election - I wonder if it's still worth writing to him? We are one of the safest tory seats in the country, and I'm quite sure he must be (privately) disgusted with his Leader's behaviour last night.

The person rumoured to be replacing my MP is a woman with "back Boris" in her twitter profile Hmm

zebrasdontwearbras · 26/09/2019 13:22

Yesterday every single time BJ repeated the “20.000 policeman” shit my brain was thinking of blackshirts. 20.000 of them.

Holy crap Shock

ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2019 13:48

I know this is the end of the previous thread but it needs clarifying after RTB's earlier post .....

ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2019 13:49

The most damaging thing that Eric Pickles did in terms of UK democracy was not the abolition of the Audit Commission

it was the Abolition of the Standards Board

MockersthefeMANist · 26/09/2019 13:51

I'm not even a tory voter, but I'm very envious of you, having Tobias Ellwood as an MP - I think he's a really decent bloke. He should be PM

Actually, Tom Tugenhadt should be PM. He's superb. (For a Tory)

Ellwood is a good bloke. If he defects, he gets my vote.

I also know what it is to have a Brexit wacko for an MP because until recently I lived across town and had Conor Burns, igh!

ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2019 13:51

We are now in a situation were Councillors and MPs and any other elected people
can bully and lie and cheat and deny
with absolute impunity.

There are no sanctions.
The "Monitoring officer"system is utterly broken.
They issue decisions and state punishments which cannot be enforced and have no penalty for ignoring them.

ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2019 13:53

If the bullies and liars get stuck into a council or party
the sane and responsible people tend to bail out
the infectious puss of poor behaviour spreads
and those in post think they cannot be held to account

ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2019 13:54

This cancer of poor behaviour reaches from the bottom to the top and all around the sides of UK democracy.

The Standards Board needs to be brought back
with the sanction of barring people from public office for breaking the law

ListeningQuietly · 26/09/2019 13:55

Only then will British Democracy start to work for the electors and their families

MockersthefeMANist · 26/09/2019 14:04

Agreed.

Recall is an expensive and cumbersome nonsesne. MPs who are convicted of any offence that carries a potential prison term should be disqualified.

zebrasdontwearbras · 26/09/2019 14:07

Mockers - yeah Tom would do too Smile

Tanith · 27/09/2019 08:12

I have a friend on Facebook, known him since childhood, though we live in different towns now. He’s a Leaver.
When the judgement was announced, he sent out memes, rants against Gina Miller, Tony Blair, Jeremy Corbyn, the judges - 24 hours of bile and hate, some of which looked as though he himself had written them, but didn’t sound a bit like him.

He’s been encouraged to do it. Wound up by the likes of Leave.EU and sent the stuff to cut and paste and to repost. I dare say Twitter would be the same if he were on it.

He’s back to normal now, posting about his normal, ordinary life.

I have an ex-client doing the same, someone I always thought a decent, kindly man, though his politics were not mine.

I don’t think most of these people are as angry as social media would have us believe.
I do wonder if either of my friends would repost death threats for them. Presumably these groups have identified those that will.

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