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Westminstenders: Supreme Democracy

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2019 19:45

Tuesday is the big day about prorogation.

The Supreme Court hears the case of Cherry and Miller against the government.

This could test the constitution and the union. The Supreme Court sits as both as a Scottish Court and and English Court and applies Scottish / English law accordingly. And there are differences. It is possible that prorogation might only be illegal under one or the other but would have effect on parliament. Or its possible that the Supreme Court might decide to uphold the government position.

What is encouraging is the constitutional expert blogs which suggest that they lean to the court intervening. It's important that for the A50 case the Supreme Court referenced the arguments in these blogs.

But let's not get too carried away.

As it is Joe Moor, former director of legislative affairs at 10 Downing Street wrote in today's Telegraph that Johnson could merely prorogue again from Oct 14 "until at least Nov 6" thus preventing parliamentary scrutiny of no deal which would help enable in effect illegally. The Times also reported Cummings as having said this to advisors.

This has been dismissed by legal experts, but the point remains there is a willingness to both frustrate parliament and be as obstructive as possible in the days leading up to 31st.

There is also the 'Nobile Officium' Court action designed to stop illegal no deal by allowing the courts to write a letter to the EU to request an extension of Johnson refuses to.

It remains to be seen if it has even a chance of success.

The British press has been full of comments of optimism for a deal this weekend. This is after there was positive noises in a similar vein from Brussels. These has since been largely dismissed as mere political will with no practical progress. The British optimism has also been dismissed as mere posturing. And Priti Patel "misspoke" when she appeared to suggest that no deal was no policy this morning.

Other rumours include the French willing to grant a 2year extension but not a 3month one out of fear this will happen repeatedly. The French are now pushing for a deal and relaxing their approach as such (but Germany won't compromise the single market and Ireland the GFA so its all talk).

And do not forget, for all the talk of a deal there are certain time restrains.

Apparently Nikki da Costa has a timetable to get a deal through parliament in 'just ten days' on a spreadsheet. So that gives you an idea that the 19th October is possibly the last day to get a deal in front of parliament if you completely accept that we are leaving without any extension. This neglects the issue that a new deal isn't on the table from the EU and the backstop isn't going anywhere.

A last minute deal or no deal situation is highly risky with the ERG on one side and hard core Remainers who think Johnson won't defy the Benn Amendment and thus will try and block a deal to the last

It seems that we will have a game of cat and mouse until the bitter end.

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/09/2019 17:35

PMK
Sorry don’t have a cat

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/09/2019 17:36

Skara 💐
Verhofstadt has again expressed the anger of the EP at the treatment of E27 expats by the UK govt
They are keeping up the pressure, but the Uk govt cba

In contrast to how UK expats in the E27 are being treated.
e.g. the German Parliament passed a bill so we could all stay in the event of a deal,
clearly stating they understood that many had made longterm plans in Germany based on the reasonable belief of permanent FOM:

"the aim being to create legal certainty for all UK nationals and their family members who have made use of the EU's freedom of movement
and made decisions affecting their lives in Germany in the legitimate expectation that this freedom of movement would continue."

tobee · 16/09/2019 17:37

Chaz piggies!!!

NoWordForFluffy · 16/09/2019 17:39

We go to Booths on a semi-regular basis. And we get our Christmas cheese there too. They do lovely local stuff.

LK is not a journalist. She might as well be broadcasting a fan's blog.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/09/2019 17:41

Lol. I had to bribe them with cucumber

No 10 should try that as the next UK negotiating ploy with the EU

MockersthefeMANist · 16/09/2019 17:42

OK, we've had Fonzie and the Hulk. Who's next from the canon of 70s kids TV:

Scooby-Doo (and he would've gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling judges...)
Secret Squirrell (had a canon-hat. There are few problems you can't solve with a canon-hat.)
Wacky Races (here comes Jakey and Nanny in the Somerset chugabug...)
Hector's House (dog shagging a frog, and this was kids TV!!! ...but it was French, so we can't have that.)

InMySpareTime · 16/09/2019 17:46

I emailed Philip Lee asking how he intends to align his future voting intentions with the LGBTQ+ rights ethos in the Lib Dem's (ie how he hopes to lose the Tory stain on his character).
He will only reply to Bracknell constituents, which I am not.
Do any of you have Bracknell addresses and wouldn't mind forwarding me any letter reply? I'm hoping that he'll reply by email, but don't want to risk him sending a letter to an address I randomly pick off Google maps.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/09/2019 17:47

How about Hong Kong Phooey
I think Boris has done a correspondence course on how to be a PM

The real question is who is Spot the cat.

DGRossetti · 16/09/2019 17:48

OK, we've had Fonzie and the Hulk. Who's next from the canon of 70s kids TV

Dunno about that, but how about:

Boris Gump

Run, Boris, Run !

?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/09/2019 17:49

Boris clearly sees himself as He Man and the EU is Skeletor.

He reminds me more of Baldrick with a cunning plan...

DGRossetti · 16/09/2019 17:49

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thecatfromjapan · 16/09/2019 17:50

Chaz They are gorgeous.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 16/09/2019 17:54

Boris reminds me most of the 70s TV show The Invisible Man!

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/09/2019 17:56

This is Boris

Looks cute at first but craps on everything, gets out of control and causes huge embarrassment and chaos

www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1969-blue-peter-lulu-the-elephant/250815958624775/

MockersthefeMANist · 16/09/2019 17:57

Starting to see BJ as Muttley: Unkempt, scheming, mutters swear-words under his breath, interested only in medals for himself...

Songsofexperience · 16/09/2019 17:58

Boris Gump

No! Poor Forrest Gump is a nice guy!

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/09/2019 17:59

Better link

Songsofexperience · 16/09/2019 18:01

I wonder if Boris' ism will be shitism?

It already exists. It's Trumpism.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2019 18:02

Re the fonzie and hulk references.

Trump used wrestling references.

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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2019 18:04

Robert Peston@peston
I am told @JunckerEU learned just one thing from @BorisJohnson today. In words of one of his colleagues there was “confirmation that the UK [under Johnson] wants more of a border on the island of Ireland than the previous government”. Which is the nutshell of the whole of what...

the PM seeks qua new deal and what the EU’s 27 leaders need to evaluate either as deft compromise or as brutal betrayal of Dublin and the Good Friday Agreement. This dispute harks back to the December 2017 joint agreement between the UK and EU which pledges to prevent the...

creation of “a hard border including any physical infrastructure or related checks and controls”. This matters because Theresa May’s Brexit, the Withdrawal Agreement, says “any future arrangements [for Ireland] must be compatible with these overarching requirements”. And that...

would render illegal pretty much any method of keeping open the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, other than membership of the customs union for Northern Ireland or the whole UK, combined with significant regulatory alignment with the EU for NI or...

the whole UK. For Johnson and Cummings, unless the EU 27 allows some new infrastructure and associated checks and controls somewhere in NI, there would be no escape from what they see as the serfdom of either NI or the whole UK being bossed to some extent by Brussels, perhaps...

forever. And although when push comes to the shove of an imminent no-deal Brexit, Johnson may be less anxious than May was about putting a regulatory border in the Irish Sea, at this juncture he desperately needs to assess whether the EU can be just a bit more flexible about...

the use of supposedly unobtrusive technology to keep rogue goods and food out of the EU single market. I doubt the EU will budge, but Johnson has to ask.

Your regular reminder the technology does not currently exist and certainly won't be in place by 31st Oct.

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placemats · 16/09/2019 18:05

The Johnson pinned his hopes on Luxembourg, he blew it.

I'm thinking he's thinking:

He who fights and runs away gets to fight another day.

Except in this case Johnson you're busted.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2019 18:06

Laura k on six o'clock news.

Johnson hadn't tried with the EU before but now he really is.

Bullshit.

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placemats · 16/09/2019 18:06

I posted the above in the brexit loving thread as well.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2019 18:08

James Johnson @jamesjohnson252
Hint: headlines saying UK has been ‘humiliated’ by EU, or footage of Boris being booed in an EU country, help the PM with the British electorate rather than hinder him

Rather than drawing pro- and anti-EU battle lines, opponents would do better to make the empty podium a symbol of the ‘why haven’t you been negotiating?’ narrative that seems to be taking hold with some of the public.

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Songsofexperience · 16/09/2019 18:08

Laura K has been a huge disappointment