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47 days to go.....

Deal, no deal or delay...???

Remainers are circling the wagons ready for their last stand....

Stand fast Brexit backers and hold the line!!

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The opposition isn’t going to ask for an election now as Boris is so underhand and has no respect for anyone he would force through a no deal. He can have his election after the extension. His reputation is in shreds demonstrating his lack of respect for legal and parliamentary process. He doesn’t have deal from the EU.

I don't expect them to listen to me. I want them to know I think they are dreadful.

I want them to know I think they are dreadful

I’m sure they’ll have nightmares tonight because of that 🤔

I don't give a shit. I'm a person who wants to compromise but not with that stupid shit.

Dusty Its a few weeks, not years.

also, because of BJs rep, no one trusts him to stick to any date agreed.

Do you not think the Cons are playing party bollox too?

Brexit should be resolved with another vote on a Deal vs Remain - not a GE, which should be decided on a broad range of issues.

When will it sink in?

The sooner this is concluded and wecan start to move on, the better.

In 3 and a half years all Remainers have done is to raise awareness with those who knew nothing about the EU and convince them we need to leave.

I don’t believe for a second that no deal will end well but at least we cross the line and deal with the repercussions.

Every time we delay or a vote goes against the ‘will of the people’ it makes no deal more and more certain.

We need to just do it.

@Bearbehind - if we end walking off the cliff into a no deal, what about the GFA, impact onto the supply chain and loss of jobs?

I predict he's frothing up his usual shit to bring Quitlings onside for a WA 2.0 deal that they'd hate if anyone else tried it

Umm it's not exactly a secret, he says all the time he is trying to bring back a deal. The difference is that Leavers trust him to use the 'transition' period to get us a free trade deal. Leavers never trusted May not to use the transition period to keep us in the SM and CU.

As long as he gets us out of the EU, the remainlings can whip up as much confected froth as they want, it falls on deaf ears. Have you heard MPs claiming their snowflake is melting because he refers to the surrender bill? Pathetic!

Bear i want to stay in the EU and if that isn't possible, then an EFTA style arrangement, no-deal will be a fucking disaster, for our economy and for NI.

Why are you blaming remainers for causing this? you don't think Farage et al have helped cause leaver intransigence?

Are you now a brexitier?

if we end walking off the cliff into a no deal, what about the GFA, impact onto the supply chain and loss of jobs?

We grovel like never seen before and sort it out ASAP

Why are you blaming remainers for causing this? you don't think Farage et al have helped cause leaver intransigence?

I’m not blaming Remainers for ‘causing’ this - I’m saying we’ve only succeeded in making it worse.

And continually slagging off those who support it isn’t going to help, as BJ has proved today.

because of BJs rep, no one trusts him to stick to any date agreed

They can pass a one line bill with date on it.

Do you not think the Cons are playing party bollox too?

A GE gives the electorate a say in who we want in power.

Refusing a GE when there's a zombie minority govt just to 'humiliate' the govt & PM is party politicking bollocks & is going down with the general public like a cup of cold sick

Brexit should be resolved with another vote on a Deal vs Remain - not a GE, which should be decided on a broad range of issues.

No.
Brexit should be delivered as per the instruction delivered in 2016.
If there is a 2nd ref it should be deal vs no deal only

As it stands, a GE now has clear Brexit positions for each party:
Lib Dem: revoke
Tory: Brexit with deal, or no deal if necessary
Brexit Party: No deal
SNP: Indy ref & Remain in EU
Labour: people's vote

"Umm it's not exactly a secret, he says all the time he is trying to bring back a deal. The difference is that Leavers trust him to use the 'transition' period to get us a free trade deal. Leavers never trusted May not to use the transition period to keep us in the SM and CU."

Absolute bollocks. If it had been all about the transition period they would have backed WA and dumped TM as soon as we'd left. She even offered that.

If it had been all about the transition period they would have backed WA and dumped TM as soon as we'd left

The problem with that is TM couldn't get her deal through Parliament. Boris seems to have more chance of getting a deal through.

This is all going to end in revoke. If Boris actually wanted Brexit he would be doing something constructive to achieve it, not faxing over a few 'non' papers and playing silly beggars proroguing Parliament. He has 3 choices

1. Revoke
2. WA mark 467 plus trade = years and years of this shit.
3. No deal which equals WA mark 468 plus trade = years and years of this shit, but with a Daily Mail keepsake pullout.

Are there any other options ?

This is all going to end in revoke.

It really isn’t.

BJ can justify no deal long before he can justify revoke.

"The problem with that is TM couldn't get her deal through Parliament. Boris seems to have more chance of getting a deal through."
At least it shows some of you are rewriting the history of this shit to convince yourselves you always wanted WA you just wanted to be mean to TM. Hilarious.

Maybe a remainer who is supposedly so desperate to stop a 'no deal' can answer this.

What is the difference between an election on Oct 30th. With a Corbyn win and we remain, a Boris win and we leave the EU on the 31st Oct.

Or

An election on 1st Nov. With a Corbyn win and we remain, a Boris win and we leave the EU on the 2nd of Nov.

This 'extension' is just a political stunt, it is meaningless.

walking the massive difference is 31st Oct will have been an gone and BJ will have had to do something.

Do you really not get that?

Boris can justify revoke Bear. He can also argue for No Deal.

Boris can justify revoke Bear. He can also argue for No Deal

This is like some abyss.

He has support to do the latter but not the former.

Would you all suddenly vote Tory if he promised revoke?

Thought not.

If we have an election on 1 November we will have got an extension. So we won't leave on 2 November.

The difference is if election on or after Nov 1st, Tories may not win (although still likely they will) but if election before Oct 31st, Tories will win very easily.

Bear lets pretend for a minute that the PM of the UK has access to information that you and me don't, not an unusual set of circumstances historically, I am sure you will agree ?
What I am saying is that Boris could quite easily justify revoking given the information he has access to.
He could also quite easily argue the case for no deal.
Do you see what I am saying ?

If it ended in revoke I'd be interested in what happens next.

Because obviously we wouldn't be in a democracy anymore.
What do we do? March on parliament?
We are generally very passive in the UK.

What will happen?