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47 days to go.....

Deal, no deal or delay...???

Remainers are circling the wagons ready for their last stand....

Stand fast Brexit backers and hold the line!!

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I find this all really depressing. People who voted leave, have generally got on with their own lives, (because they didn't dare admit in public that they voted leave for all the abuse they got on the one occasion they did?) whereas those who voted remain have been caught up in brexit. I sense that it brexit doesn't happen, those who thought the once in a lifetime referendum had happened / an election had been held with candidates (now MPs) promising to enact the result, those leave voting people are going to wake up and be rather pissed off and have lost trust in parliamentary democracy too. No one wins.

No one wins in any scenario now. We are all losers because of this stupid referendum.

On a complete tangent....

Andrew Pierce has done a piece on Lady Hale in the Mail.

An amazing woman.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7500627/amp/Ex-barmaid-spider-brooch-spun-legal-web-snared-PM-ANDREW-PIERCE-Lady-Hale.html?ito=amptwitterrshare-top&twitterrimpression=true

Geoffrey Coz just asked Labour front bench why they won't submit one line bill for GE

I will not hold my breath that they will take him up on it..

🙄 Cox not Coz 😳

I don't think anyone should disagree that Lady Hale is amazing. I've read some of her judgments, most notably Cheshire West when she held:

“45. [.] axiomatic that people with disabilities, both mental and physical, have the same human rights as the rest of the human race. It may be that those rights have sometimes to be limited or restricted because of their disabilities, but the starting point should be the same as that for everyone else. Have seen the attorney general speak in the House of Commons this morning, speaker had to tell the house off for making so much noise, they were super for a minute but then resumed. They seem to have lost the art of taking turns to speak.

What does "KK then" mean?

Sostenueto

The £4 extra per week shopping bill included a bottle of wine - one list I saw included an £8 bottle of French wine from Tesco - you are suggesting that food prices will double - this is simply not the case. Some food prices from non-EU countries will reduce.

We will be last in line for petrol as will other deprived areas.

The petrol shortages were suggested in the South East of England because of blocked roads in Kent - therefore uncluttered roads in Kent are important.

second - she's brilliant.

Auld - KK is OK (first hit on google search btw so not difficult to find out)

Jesus wept! Some of the people bleating on about "DEMOCRACY" have such a lack of understanding of democracy it would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

"MPs duty is to uphold democracy"! FFS, what kind of idiot would even think this let alone post. Please go to Russian google and search for "representative democracy" (that being the type we have in the UK, you know).

Also, find out the difference between the government and the executive. The GOVERNMENT authorised an indicative referendum (so without checks and supermajorities etc.), the EXECUTIVE promised to abide by it. However, the executive is not entitled to do that without the approval of, you know, the GOVERNMENT. Therefore their promise is unlawful! invalid.

Meanwhile, the Quitlings are also complaining about the Government that they voted for not doing what they want in their temper tantrum.

It really is beyond ridiculous.

My 12 year old says KK. We're at that level.

At the risk of getting SHOUTED at who is the EXECUTIVE and are you forgetting that a massive Parliamentary majority voted for the Government Legislation which enacted the Referendum?

As a matter of interest is a GOVERNMENT still a GOVERNMENT if it has no majority and no consent from Parliament to govern? The Government is drawn from Parliament it is not a distinct entity. We are not the US.

"are you forgetting that a massive Parliamentary majority voted for the Government Legislation which enacted the Referendum?"

DING DING DING Yes! They did! An advisory referendum!

Now you're getting there! Well done!

As regards why not submitting a "one line" update for the GE.

If you look at the current date, and the fact under electoral law (I know, I know - pesky laws getting in the way!) an election has to take place at least 25 working days after dissolution. As such, any election would then be after the 31st Oct - i.e. after we crash out of the EU.

Now - work with me on this, I will type slowly so you can understand - the whole point of the opposition etc. not having an election is to prevent a no-deal Brexit. As such.... why on earth would they vote FOR an election if the single biggest side-effect is to cause a no-deal exit?

Oh - and before anyone mentions about "hard core remainers" holding true believers hostage, remember that a lot of the people fighting a no-deal Brexit are the same ones who voted FOR Brexit with a deal. Have a look at the voting record of some of the ERG types - some of them have NEVER voted in favour of Brexit.... odd that. Perhaps they are closet hard-core remainers?

Parliament is the government. It doesn't matter if the executive has a majority, as they can do what they want, but Parliament is government, so if a minority executive can't convince parliament, then they can't do what they want. Anything else would be dictatorship.

Nope. Can't see where it says ADVISORY in the Act. Why on earth bother asking the question in a Referendum if they were merely canvassing opinion.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/36/section/1/enacted

They specified the question wording in English and Welsh and nowhere did they qualify the wording with Advise.

.... “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?”

(5)The alternative answers to that question that are to appear on the ballot papers are—
“Remain a member of the European Union

Leave the European Union”.

Parliament is not the Government unless it can appoint an administration which can command the confidence of the house. This is the problem with pretending Executive powers don't exist or that they exist at the behest of Parliament as a whole. They can indeed only be exercised by an Executive which commands the confidence of the House. However if that confidence does not exist the remedy is to replace the Executive not seek to backseat drive via 650 disparate Parliamentarians.

Parliament is the government.

GCSE Grade F, see me.

Please go to Russian google and search for "representative democracy"

'Russian google' 🤔

My 12 year old says KK. We're at that level

Now - work with me on this, I will type slowly so you can understand

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In our Parliamentary government all referendums are advisory, unless they are legislated to be binding. Which this one wasn't.

Do keep up!

'Russian google'

The Google Archipelago

In our Parliamentary government all referendums are advisory, unless they are legislated to be binding.

And now we have come full circle. The Government, which at that time enjoyed the confidence of Parliament, undertook to carry out the result of the Referendum. They even sent me a Government endorsed leaflet stating it in black and white.

Parliamentary government is not the same as Parliament being the Government. If it were why would the Queen appoint a PM to appoint a Government and then inform Parliament what her Government were proposing for the next Parliamentary session?

But if Parliament can stop the executive (or "government" as you seem to call them") from doing just what they please, and even propose and get bills passed (c.f. the Benn bill), they how can you say the are not the government?

Logic has taken rather a battering recently.

Just glad Shapps and co had a Dept to mobilise to sort out Thomas Cook rather than leaving it for MPs to wrangle over for 3 years.

Single issue. Not analogous