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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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Basilpots · 11/09/2019 09:45

Sorry to drag back the debate to yesterday but I just wish to concur a link BCF gave us yesterday regarding NL doing quite nicely out of Brexit.

One of our main suppliers is a multinational pre-Brexit they were ready to invest hugely in this country to expand their emergency orders warehouse because our transport links to the rest of the world are excellent.

However after the referendum result and subsequent mess we are in they have decided to start winding operations down here and have invested in and expanded their base in Amsterdam. These are the sort of job losses that won’t show in any statistics but are there.

Supplier says area around Schiphol airport in particular are receiving big investment.

The long term effects of Brexit especially if it is handled badly are as worrying short term.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 11/09/2019 09:46

Britain Elects
@britainelects
· 11h
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 30% (-1)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDEM: 17% (-3)
BREX: 13% (-)
GRN: 4% (+1)

via @ComRes, 06 - 08 Sep

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 09:47

Foreign Student now allowed to stay longer (If the want to Hmm)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49655719

I wonder if this is what Leavers wanted ?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 11/09/2019 09:48

norman smith
@BBCNormanS
· 28m
Labour MP asked to come on News Channel to talk about Brexit - declines cos says no longer any idea what party's policy is on Brexit.

Hmm
squid4 · 11/09/2019 09:55

Everyone I've explained Labour's Brexit policy to has said "oh well that sounds sensible."

It's not getting out there though is it.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 11/09/2019 09:57

Jobs cull at Axminster Carpets as giant which supplies Wetherspoons and Buckingham Palace blames Brexit

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/jobs-cull-axminster-carpets-giant-3305708

JustAnotherPoster00 · 11/09/2019 09:59

Stephen Doughty MP / AS
@SDoughtyMP
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8m
Can I just gently remind
@GOVUK

@marksedwill

@BorisJohnson
that they have until 11pm TONIGHT to comply with this resolution of Parliament to release all #YellowHammer and #Prorogation documents. There are NO EXCUSES either as the Speaker made clear on Monday. Waiting... 🕰⏳

JustAnotherPoster00 · 11/09/2019 10:03

I hope that when we eventually have a public inquiry in a few years into what has gone on, the BBC and the MSM are held to account for being complicit in this

Basilpots · 11/09/2019 10:07

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, we’ll, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.. Margaret Thatcher

Corbyn should have this on a t-shirt Grin

InMySpareTime · 11/09/2019 10:10

Just got the link to the "debate" about proroguing through, they lumped the petition in with a closed one asking for a proroguation to make Brexit happen in March. Gave the numbers for the anti-prorogue petition but not for the pro one (presumably because they were orders of magnitude smaller). Argued that the mood of the nation was evenly divided on the issue Angry.
I counted 15 people in the room, not much of a debate.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 11/09/2019 10:10

Clive Lewis MP
@labourlewis
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Parliament suspension ruled 'unlawful' according to Scottish Judges.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

MockersthefeMANist · 11/09/2019 10:12

Parliament suspension ruled 'unlawful' according to Scottish Judges.

Govt will appeal. It will all be rolled up in the Supreme Court case.

Apileofballyhoo · 11/09/2019 10:15

BREAKING NEWS Scottish court prorogation unlawful

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/09/2019 10:20

@JolyonMaugham
We believe that the effect of the decision is that Parliament is no longer prorogued.

Cailleach1 · 11/09/2019 10:22

Just going back to secession topic, I suppose the problem lies in the fact that NI was a created/imposed country, rather than a natural country. Not British (or British at all for some) in the way GB is either.

Cailleach1 · 11/09/2019 10:23

Wow!

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 10:23

We believe that the effect of the decision is that Parliament is no longer prorogued

The question is now, who else believes that ? Because that is pretty much how civil wars start.

What have the nice policemen with guns around Westminster been told, and what will they do if it conflicts with what the court has just ruled ?

Hey, said the name is called disturbance ....
I'll shout I'll scream, I'll kill the King, I'll rail at all his servants

Cailleach1 · 11/09/2019 10:24

Can it be prorogued while it is being appealed, I wonder?

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 10:25

secession

a loaded word for any US readers Sad well worth knowing it's history

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/09/2019 10:25

Can it be prorogued while it is being appealed, I wonder?
Is it wrong to say I hope it can't be, so if they win in the Supreme Court they have to go through the ceremony again, selfishly because I couldn't stay awake any longer and missed it? Grin

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 11/09/2019 10:27

Things are getting interesting. Cue enemies of the people headlines about judges again!

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/09/2019 10:27

More still coming out.
@mckinneytweets
Official summary of decision in the Cherry case: "The Court will accordingly make an Order declaring that the Prime Minister’s advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect."

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/09/2019 10:28

I hope in the interim they can push through some of the things that were going to have to go back to the start thanks to this. Like the Domestic Violence Bill

Belindabelle · 11/09/2019 10:32

Wow I didn't think that would happen.

LouiseCollins28 · 11/09/2019 10:33

Scottish Courts are clearly not "pro-rogue" then! Grin