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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 10:58

As far as I know, the Judgment stands unless overturned by the Supreme Court, so Parliament should reconvene.

And if there are policemen with guns in the way ?

Basilpots · 11/09/2019 10:59

So working through my checklist of ’How to win an election when you are actually a really rubbish Government.’

We have so far.

Lies Check yes plenty of those. Reasons for proroguing Parliament, I’m trying for a deal, Yellow hammer documents, increased spending which isn’t. We can build a bridge (not a wall, no wall, walls are bad) And that’s just the last couple of days!

Sell Fantasies Check Where do I start ? We can drop the backstop, technological solutions, alternative arrangements, trade deal with USA that will be easy, We can just leave it will be fiiiine. Mrs Merkel says it can be done in 30 days, goddam bridge again. And you know what it’s selling fantasies that got us here.

Abuse opposition Chicken suits, mazes, Corbyn sending us back to the 70’s. Labour have no idea what they are doing their Brexit policy is a mess (no it’s not it just dosen’t fit on the back of a stamp) Look Corbyn is friends with bad people, Swinson wants us to revoke (well yes that is their policy) Remain rebels are colluding with the EU (Daniel Kawcznski you just tweeted Poland asking them to veto an extension). That’s just the last couple of days. You know the schtick we’ve seen it all before.

Blame scapegoats. Check. Where do we start. It’s the EUs fault. It’s Labours fault. It’s the remainers fault. It’s Parliaments fault. It’s LeoVaradkars fault. Very soon. It’s Dominic Cummings fault he’s a bad man he made me. And ultimately the people. It’s what they voted for. No it’s not it’s your shit own it.

Create a diversion. Check. JRM reclining. New puppy. Prorogue Parliament so none can ask me anything, Dubious honour list. Money for NHS, schools, police. Bloody bridge is back.

All this ^^

And they will just keep going with it because they have nothing else.

Adapted from www.thelacanianreviews.com/the-charlatans-little-box-of-tricks/

lonelyplanetmum · 11/09/2019 11:00

Court of session is equivalent to court of appeal so doesn't it go to the Supreme Court?

ContinuityError · 11/09/2019 11:00

I wonder what the three Privy Councillors (which included Rees-Mogg) actually said to the Queen?

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 11:01

Ironically in one way un-proroguing parliament might be of benefit to Boris. Especially since he was unable to do it himself Hmm

Now he gets to play the wounded martyr role to his cheer leaders whilst taking advantage of his "defeat".

I keep remembering the scene in "Die Hard" where the FBI do exactly what the robbers want ....

lonelyplanetmum · 11/09/2019 11:01

Sorry cross posting in excitement

TokyoSushi · 11/09/2019 11:01

Yes Supreme court next Tuesday

BoreOfWhabylon · 11/09/2019 11:01

Joanna Cherry "Confident that the Supreme Court will uphold the decision"

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/09/2019 11:02

There have been moves to secure the hiring of Methodist Central Hall or Church House for the opposition MPs to convene if they are locked out

Is it weird that I have a preference where they meet? 'Church House' just sounds so much more GCSE history exam than the Methodist Central Hall - for the good of posterity it has to be Church House.

What happens if Boris/ Cummings refuse to open parliament until after the appeal? Are they breaking the law?

NoWordForFluffy · 11/09/2019 11:04

My Barrister friend isn't a constitutional expert but says that his opinion is that the Govt would have to get an emergency interim ruling from the SC to allow it to stay prorogued until the appeal. So, back to work!

Basilpots · 11/09/2019 11:04
NoWordForFluffy · 11/09/2019 11:04

And the police aren't going to bloody shoot politicians, DGR.

ContinuityError · 11/09/2019 11:05

Nicked from @dmitryopines on Twitter:

At this difficult time I would encourage the British public to draw strength from imagining all the chaos it avoided with Ed Miliband.

ImNotYourGranny · 11/09/2019 11:05

Lying to the Queen in order to take away the powers of parliament, that's got to be treason surely? Both Johnson and JRM in the tower would be the first genuine positive brexit outcome.

Ellie56 · 11/09/2019 11:06

The Scottish court has found unanimously that the Prime Minister misled the Queen

One will not be amused that one's holiday was interrupted by the Lying Tory for no good reason.

AvengerDanvers95 · 11/09/2019 11:06

Who locks the door?

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 11:07

And the police aren't going to bloody shoot politicians, DGR.

Why not ? They managed to remove an innocent persons head with zero comeback, so offing an MP defying the will of the government isn't too much of a stretch.

Anyway, they'd tazer first. SOP. Even if you're blind.

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 11:08

Who locks the door?

Quis ipsos custodes custodiet ?

ContinuityError · 11/09/2019 11:10

Keir Starmer has the biggest shit-eating grin ever on the BBC just now.

Basilpots · 11/09/2019 11:11

I remember David Allen Green describing this as ‘Knaves cheered on by fools’.

Rather apt.

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/09/2019 11:11

My Barrister friend isn't a constitutional expert but says that his opinion is that the Govt would have to get an emergency interim ruling from the SC to allow it to stay prorogued until the appeal

And they were already so busy today! YellowHammer has to be published by 11pm - they've got a long day of shredding and redacting in front of them. Now this! Poor guy can't catch a break. He only wants to be King of the World ... why is everyone making it so hard for him?

I keep remembering the scene in "Die Hard" where the FBI do exactly what the robbers want
Yes I wouldn't celebrate just yet. Unproroguing just gives Johnson more time to do crooked and shady things and for the rebel alliance to fall into the trap somewhere along the line. Or the tory rebels to go crawling back.

On the other hand - it does interrupt his GE campaign paid for by the tax payer and without all those pesky purdah rules.

MockersthefeMANist · 11/09/2019 11:11

Where'd ya want ya Rebel Parliament, Guv?

Church House:

or MCH:

(Or Friends House, the Quaker gaff, very handy for Scottish MPs, just across the road from Euston.)

Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 11:12

A cynic might say this is all good publicity for that thundercunt Camerons tome being published .....

ImNotYourGranny · 11/09/2019 11:13

The rage from Daily Mail readers is interesting. Seems they now all want Scotland to be thrown out of the union. Grin

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 11:14

Where'd ya want ya Rebel Parliament, Guv?

This is where you need vision and imagination. Why not outside London ? Manchester Free Trade Hall, for example. Legendary home of the Sex Pistols gig that every musician from Manchester there's ever been attended ....