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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 11/09/2019 10:36

Louise
Grin

Belindabelle · 11/09/2019 10:39

Apparently Parliament no longer prorogued.

I feel a wee bit teary.

Belindabelle · 11/09/2019 10:40

Please let it be true.

TokyoSushi · 11/09/2019 10:42

Well, this is marvelous!

AvengerDanvers95 · 11/09/2019 10:43

It's only been a few weeks and Johnson is shaping up to be an even worse PM than his predecessor, which I would not have thought possible.

ContinuityError · 11/09/2019 10:43

Alex Wickham @alexwickham

Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Well.

Cailleach1 · 11/09/2019 10:44

This is edge of seat stuff.

Official summary of decision in the Cherry case: "The Court will accordingly make an Order declaring that the Prime Minister’s advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect."

www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/9/2261/Joanna-Cherry-QC-MP-and-others-for-Judicial-Review

twitter.com/mckinneytweets/status/1171714733705256961

Fortheloveofscience · 11/09/2019 10:44

I don’t ever feel I know enough to contribute, but just wanted to post to say thank you. Whenever there’s breaking news re Brexit this is the place I come to read analysis - 100 times more thoughtful than anything I’ve found in the mainstream press.

ContinuityError · 11/09/2019 10:45

Apparently Parliament no longer prorogued

Hmmm - Government appealing to Supreme Court next week, so can’t see anything happening until the appeal is heard.

Cailleach1 · 11/09/2019 10:46

Love the tagline about Dummings. He fought the law and the law won. They played crooked and dirty, though.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 11/09/2019 10:47

Bloody hell. That's great news.

All eyes on Tuesday! Let's hope it is upheld.

Cailleach1 · 11/09/2019 10:48

ok. not over.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 11/09/2019 10:48

Well that’s going to put the cat amongst the pigeons.

MockersthefeMANist · 11/09/2019 10:48

Scottish indpendence, should it happen, would be secession. Some loonier Nats have argued they can "end the Union" and dissolve the UK into two sucessor states, on the Czechoslovakian model, but this could only be done with the consent of the rest of the union.

Scotland would be permitted to secede, and the UK would carry on being the UK, owning 100% of the assets (outside Scotland) and liable for 100% of the debts.

Belindabelle · 11/09/2019 10:48

I now have to go out an visit my MIL who is a Daily Mail reader who admires JRM and likes the way Nigel Farage dresses.

Wish me luck.

ContinuityError · 11/09/2019 10:49

Plus Scots law different to UK law - see David Allen Green on Twitter.

But having said that:

David Allen Green @davidallengreen

The Scottish court has found unanimously that the Prime Minister misled the Queen

In effect, the court has held that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen so as to obtain prorogation

Wow

Just, wow

Not seen a court decision like this in thirty years of constitutional geekery

Peregrina · 11/09/2019 10:50

It's only great news if the Supreme Court agrees it! Cue the Heil screaming about Judges being Enemies of the People.

I think it must also have put the Queen in an embarrassing position with Rees-Mogg and a couple of chums running up to Scotland to get the Prorogation. I wonder what documents will be revealed in due course.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/09/2019 10:50

As far as I know, the Judgment stands unless overturned by the Supreme Court, so Parliament should reconvene. The Judge has said it's null, so they need to get back to it! I'll ask one of my friendly Barristers what he thinks!

MockersthefeMANist · 11/09/2019 10:51

"Is parliament now un-prorogued?"

Arguably. There have been moves to secure the hiring of Methodist Central Hall or Church House for the opposition MPs to convene if they are locked out.

Could be a fun week.

Cherrypi · 11/09/2019 10:53

Five live is good right now actually discussing the risk of facism. They have just had Margaret Attwood on. Anti scottish sentiment going to be whipped up on facebook now by brexiters.

Ellie56 · 11/09/2019 10:54

It's only been a few weeks and Johnson is shaping up to be an even worse PM than his predecessor, which I would not have thought possible.

Yes who'd have thought he could make even Theresa May look good? Grin

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 10:55

I now have to go out an visit my MIL who is a Daily Mail reader who admires JRM and likes the way Nigel Farage dresses.

You can tell her how much Indian students are looking forward to continuing to stay in the UK, thanks to todays news. Luckily it was never about immigration or racism, so she'll be thrilled.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/09/2019 10:55

I feel sorry for the Queen at the moment, and am hoping Philip hasn't kicked a Dorgi or two.

Ohflippineck · 11/09/2019 10:56

So do they go back, is that it or is there further appeal?

lonelyplanetmum · 11/09/2019 10:58

Our court system rocks! Therein lies true rule of law.

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