Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

I disagree with TMay, but I'd have taken her word she wouldn't change an agreement

I won't trust BJ

He can change the elections date - we have discussed this over the last thread and the one before but i'll assume you are a genuine poster. Since the FTPA Act 2011 the party holding the election can amend the date to suit them after an election is agreed by 2/3 of the HoC. This date is agreed AFTERWARDS.

Vote Lib Dem if you want another brexit vote stay or go,

This does not work in all constituencies with FPTP if your main sim is to stop a No Deal Brexit.

Lib Dem’s received 2% of the vote in my constituency.

We could have all voted on the 15th then Borris and the conservatives would not be a problem!! This must go back to the people nothing will be sorted until we know what the people want and I think we all know what the three many party’s manifestos will be.

Frankiestein

One of the people in the Bullingdon photo is a highly successful and competent lawyer. He has worked on matters I was involved in (Financial Services). Funnily some students do grow up and leave the student shite behind them.

Customs union, close economic ties, frictionless trade with our biggest neighbour, taking advantage of the agreements the EU has negotiated, no issues with the Irish border.

Yet still no one knows how Labour plan to achieve this - that list sounds a lot like TMs mantras when she first started out - what are Labour going to do differently in order to achieve it?

Borris asked for an election three days ago in the house for the 15th October MP’s rejected it not the 1st November

If the house had voted with BJ, then he’d be free to change the date from 15 Oct to after 31 October. They don’t trust BJ. Why should they? Does the evidence suggest that he’s trustworthy? After all, he spent the entire summer “not wanting a GE” and tried to call one almost as soon as parliament was sitting again.

This must go back to the people nothing will be sorted until we know what the people want and

So you're happy with a people's vote - which separates the parties from a vote - and the ONLY issue people vote on is the referendum?

This gives people who want to Remain but who are at heart, Conservatives, a chance to have their voice heard.

As well as people who want No Deal but want to vote Labour their chance as well.

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As red said, the chance for compromise was lost in the first few critical months after Brexit

Cameron had the opportunity to do so - and the political strength, as a PM who had won his own majority

He should have said it was a very narrow result, with 48% against, so we'll go for the softest Brexit,
for the least economic impact on ordinary people

Instead, he saw he'd have a fight against the hard right ERG,
.... so he walked away, whistling

The Bullingdon Boy who trashed the place and left others to clear up his mess

The current Bullingdon Boy PM may do the same in a year or so, once No Deal effects bite the country

În contrast, 21 other Tory MPs showed courage and responsibility, putting their country and constituents before their own career and party

Yet still no one knows how Labour plan to achieve this - that list sounds a lot like TMs mantras when she first started out - what are Labour going to do differently in order to achieve

Except she ruled out a Customs Union.

bear He will drop some red lines

He - more likely Starmer - chooses not to reveal everything they are going to do, all the concessions they are prepared to make if necessary,
long before negotiations even start

I can understand that

Parliament could have passed a one-line Bill: “Notwithstanding the FTPA, the next GE will be on Oct 15”.

That requires a simple majority, exactly like the one that was just used to mandate the extension.

So don’t make crap excuses about not trusting Boris as the reason for dodging an election - it’s pure cowardice on the Opposition’s part, because they know they’d lose.

All we have is hope

Love Rogue One

Except she ruled out a Customs Union.

But wanted all of its advantages still

The fact is achieving the above list requires dropping most of the red lines and then what is the point in leaving at all

May ruled out SM, FOM, CU, ECJ - basically ruled out any soft landing for the economy

If Corbyn / Starmer concentrate on a Brexit that saves jobs, then they will be making concessions on some or all of the above

Nanalisa60
Actually what Boris said 2 days beforehand was "you don't want an election, I don't want an election"....
Then Cummins tells him to "go now" for an election ......so we should all just forget what he said and go along with his trap.
If its an election based solely on a single policy, Tory voters are concerned that a labour win could be a Trojan horse for Corbyn raising school fees on their kids inheritance and labour voters are concerned that a tory win could be a Trojan horse for 5 years of Tory rule, destruction of nhs, slashing of public services especially state education etc.
Boris is playing games, and doesn't like the predicament he's in.....in which case he should resign, extend article 50 or break the law and go to prison.....his choice....unless hes too 'chicken', but don't expect the opposition to bail him out. It's a tory mess, built on Tory austerity, to quell a tory disagreement.....blaming labour, the EU, immigrants, the Irish, junker, Merkel etc is for mugs

Except she ruled out a Customs Union.

and Single Market access

That requires a simple majority, exactly like the one that was just used to mandate the extension

So why doesn't Boris do that then?

He doesn't have the numbers...otherwise he would try to call an election, wouldn't he?

He - more likely Starmer - chooses not to reveal everything they are going to do, all the concessions they are prepared to make if necessary,long before negotiations even start

But people can’t be expected to vote to support them when they don’t know what they’re voting for

The red lines were allegedly what people wanted from Brexit - you remove those, get a worse deal than we have currently and then what?

Leavers are never going to let that lie

The fact is achieving the above list requires dropping most of the red lines and then what is the point in leaving at all

Drops most of Theresa May's red lines.

We will have left the EU. People will know we have left the EU.

Most people won't care / be too concerned about the finer details of the CU / Single Market.

The EU sign will no longer have our star on it.
We won't have MEPs.

That is leaving, isn't it?

The red lines were allegedly what people wanted from Brexit - you remove those, get a worse deal than we have currently and then what

Do you remember being consulted about the red lines?
We were given an option of Leave / Remain.

No fine discussion of what people wanted..

Parliament could have passed a one-line Bill: “Notwithstanding the FTPA, the next GE will be on Oct 15”.

That wasn’t what they were asked to support though, was it? BJ could’ve tried that approach, but he didn’t.