Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

From another thread stared in ask me anything, by an Irish GP:

.A friend of mine is a GP in the West Midlands and on a Sunday an old lady came to her house she knew it was inappropriate but she had being tried to get an appointment for three weeks but couldn't dial fast enough and was told by the receptionist to come down at 8 am and queue but she couldn't drive or walk as it was too far friend had to call an ambulance as she had double pneumonia.

what have we sunk to.

Thanks for that explanation Icnat

Johnson has until 30 November to be the shortest reigning Prime Minister in Parliament.

GE gives 5 years in power but a referendum brings problems if it is close.

Sorry, but that makes no sense. The original referendum was close, with two kingdoms voting to remain.

Already the 5 years in power has been revoked.

Pmk

Sorry, but that makes no sense. The original referendum was close, with two kingdoms voting to remain.

Yes it's ridiculous. The advisory referendum was incredibly close and off the back of that we have pursued almost nothing but brexit - the hardest of brexits - for the past three years.
The idea that a close result resolves nothing is just putting higher demands on remain for the sake of creating problems.

People need to understand a second referendum is not there to heal the divide in the country - it's there to tell the govt what to do next. They follow the result no matter how close - same as last time.

Just had a political canvasser call.

First question from me was, what were the candidate's views on Brexit.

She. Said. She. Didn't. Know.

I suggested she should really try to find out.

Grinchly That's terrible
Thank goodness she was able to get to the GPs house - and had the confidence to break etiquette

The GP system is at breaking point, the most vulnerable suffer the most, as always
too few GPs per 100,000 population compared to other developed countries

• and we're losing some E27 ones, as they encounter the "hostile environment"

Grinchly I watched the Abulance Service on BBC iplayer the other week. It was followed by the Australian version - the difference was astounding. UK has queues of ambulances, 3+ hour waits, no police for MH calls...terrible to see what a lack of funding has done and where we stand globally in the 21st C.

That Bullington photo - with Boris and Cameron - is there anything that identifies the other members of that cohort?
Would be amusing to see what sort of roles, if any, they are in today - presumably something requiring zero competence.

*queues of ambulances at the hospitals (one paramedic team counted 9 in the hospital, all waiting with the patients to hand over and log-jammed out of action).

Is Australia ambulance system private?

Daddybegood

boris said he wanted the election before the 31 October!! Not after it!! So if we had one on the 17th October how could Borris make us leave in the 31st!! There will be a new government the EU will happily give us an extension or we could have a second brexit vote leave with out a deal or stay!! I’m sorry I don’t see what the problem is let the people decide who they want in government!! Vote Lib Dem if you want another brexit vote stay or go, vote conservative if you want to leave without a deal!! vote Labour if you want to leave with a shitty deal. Even if we get a law saying we can’t leave without a deal if boris and the conservative did get in by any chance then they can overturn it anyway!!. But this shambles just has to stop and the only way forward is a general election were the people decide what they want!!

It's a public system with private options - you can pay medicare via your salary.

The GP system is at breaking point, the most vulnerable suffer the most, as alwaystoo few GPs per 100,000 population compared to other developed countries- and we're losing some E27 ones, as they encounter the "hostile environment

And this should be the message that gets out there. Neutralise Brexit and focus on all the crap that the Conservative party has done to this country for the last decade.

We can all see what's happened. The voters who felt left behind are the ones who are still suffering under the Conservative policies.

JustanothePoster00 are you my dad?

He’s pretty much said all of those phrases to me throughout my life.

Nana he wants the election date for 1st Nov before the impact of No Deal hits, after he has delivered "the will of the people"

message from our lovely TiP:

I've been emailing with TiP (for years) and she still lurks on these threads.
She asked me to post this:

"Brexit is doing to UK politics what Trump has done to US politics.
Parties lose their souls
everything is about despising "other"
And there is no return route from there
PLEASE do not demonise those who support other parties / viewpoints"

I was at my GPs yesterday at the start of a new joiner session I was the last to see the nurse before it started. There were a couple of EU nationals in and they were having a chat with the receptionists as the paperwork was being handed over and the receptionists were making it very clear how frustrated they were that they had no answers on what would happen if we exit the eu at the end of October. They were nice and said in the meantime you need a gp so get registered but they wished they could give some advice on whether or what sort of insurance would be needed in future, but they've been told nothing. Given how close we are to that deadline and how long some systems take to be implemented, to have literally no advice is really shit.

vote Labour if you want to leave with a shitty deal

Customs union, close economic ties, frictionless trade with our biggest neighbour, taking advantage of the agreements the EU has negotiated, no issues with the Irish border.

Really shitty

TiP also says:

The Government has just realised that totally changing the way that the building industry handles VAT
on Brexit day
was a dumb idea

so have delayed it for a year

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revenue-and-customs-brief-10-2019-domestic-reverse-charge-vat-for-construction-services-delay-in-implementation

JeSuisPoulet

Borris asked for an election three days ago in the house for the 15th October MP’s rejected it not the 1st November

BJ - as PM - can change the date later

MPs don't trust him not to do so
He does have a history of lying and even being sacked for it. Repeatedly.

To heal we need to compromise and unite. We all need time to process all the steps of grief we have all been through

As I am sure has been said - that's where it went wrong at the start. Red lines, no talks across Parliament. Just Theresa May going her way - when it was obvious that the country was split - and parties were split.