Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

[BigChocFrenzy]

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

Some one is for sure rattled though theres about 3 different threads running that I've noticed are just like anti-Corbyn bots talking tropes at each other, sorry I started that influx yesterday

Remember how Corbyn is a Tory mole designed to bring down the Labour party? Very few people know this but Labour had Johnson recruited from his Eton days to take down the Tory party

Emily said, in that vote, she personally will campaign for remain, I'd expect labour as a party to decide whether to campaign for remain or the deal depending on the deal. (why would you expect them to state now how they will campaign on an unknown deal?)
I think that’s kind of my point - I wouldn’t expect them to state now how they would campaign on an unknown deal, that’s silly, yet that is just what Thornberry has done, when (apparently) she is who would be negotiating this deal? That’s what I think is mixed up thinking, it was immediately and easily taken down by Iain Dale and Richard Tice. For Labour to get anywhere they need the middle ground, they need the soft leavers. They need people to vote for them who really don’t like Corbyn but don’t really like the other options either. These people need to be given solid reasons to vote for Labour (rather than against someone else), and ET’s approach seems wholly unconvincing.

TBH I think maybe something honest the Labour leadership could do would be to not (publicly) take a position on a confirmatory referendum: to say the most important thing is that we bring the country together; that democracy wins; that Labour’s position is to do what the 2nd ref tells them to do. Give Labour MPs (and voters) a free vote if you like, remove the whip.

I think the devil would be in the detail of how a 2nd ref is designed, and personally think a 2-part question would be most fair (1: in/out; 2: if out, deal/no deal).

I could see BJ saying that he will resign rather than ask for an extension but will give MPs another vote on the WA honouring the Kinnock amendment.

I suspect even the ERG realise No Deal won’t fly but won’t admit it in public.

Private Eye first feature latest edition

2: if out, deal/no deal

FML, how many times does this need to be said, NO DEAL fucks the GFA, no ifs ands or buts, it is not an option that should be given to the people of England to decide

twitter.com/i/status/1169532616560844802

For those in the ERG who stand to make windfall profits, No Deal would indeed fly
and for those who want to finally wind up the welfare state and the NHS - it's their once in a lifetime chance

However, they are a clique, a minority - atm at least - within Tory MPs in the HOC

I suspect many MPs in the final few days before No Deal would think of their constituents, put them before party and vote WA
Most MPs genuinely do care about their constituents

Seriously can't keep up with threads!

Well if we don't want Boris and we don't want JC , not too keen on whatsherface lib dems that only leaves the greens. Of course, we could all compromise......

7 things every child needs to hear:

1. I love you.
2. I am proud of you.
3. I am sorry.
4. I forgive you.
5. I am listening.
6. Capitalism is a tool of the upper class designed to keep the people struggling, oppressed, and docile.
7. You have what it takes.

PMK. Thanks for new thread, BigChoc.

Well as Boris is on it IP to his neck now he will neither resign or go to Brussels, he will opt to break the law just to be different.

In it up that should read not on it Up

Re the petitions for Parliament:

One is against proroguing

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=269157

One is for a no deal

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=254329

My question is why the difference in colours?

The first is going to be debated in Parliament on Monday.

Ta bigchoc

Also why go for a general election if that election is based solely on Brexit?

Why not go for a second referendum?

This is a good read:

www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/cxzqeg/barry_mcguinnesss_answer_to_why_are_remainers_so/

NO DEAL.....is not an option that should be given to the people of England to decide
Honestly I think that ship has sailed, sadly, when the referendum was put to the people as simple leave/remain in the first place. There’s too much anger about politicians not respecting the people and gaming the system to not have it there. I wouldn’t vote for no deal, but I think it should be on the paper. I think enough people would vote ‘1. remain 2. But if leave, deal’ to beat it, and then it is defeated openly and democratically, which deflates future cries of ‘undemocratic’, ‘not listening’ etc.

Thanks BCF

GE gives 5 years in power but a referendum brings problems if it is close.

Thanks for the thread BCF

I think BoZo will go down in history as The Man Who Cried Chicken. Not as exciting as The Boy Who Cried Wolf because he could only threaten the country with a chicken, wearing a big girl's blouse.

I'm assuming parliamentary privilege doesn't stop our PM being arrested if he breaks the law? I keep loosing track of what they can actually get away with these days. That could really put the fox amongst the chickens (I'll stop soon, promise)

Our report found that 75% of press coverage misrepresents Jeremy Corbyn – we can't ignore media bias anymore

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

It would be highly interesting if:

The Rebel Alliance work with Parliament to see what would pass.
Take this to the EU.
See what they do - I guess the Irish backstop would be there but I think that would pass now.
Come back to Parliament and vote on the new WA.

Then there would be howls of protest from people saying that this is not Leave and there should be a people's vote on it. It would be interesting to see the cognitive dissonance of people who have been arguing against a people's vote suddenly argue for a people's vote because it's not what they want.

I wondered that lonely but I took it to its ultimate end of Civil War () and no one answered if the Queen controls the army or does the executive?

Chris Huhne was an MP who got sent to prison for perjury, so no, Boris Johnson would not find himself above the law. I suspect he knows that but I don't know whether Cummings does. I suspect Cummings could also be dragged along on Boris's coat tails.

The difference in colours is because so few people have signed the no deal one placemats
The key at the side tells you what percentage have to have signed to be a certain colour - and as more and more people sign those percentages change, so it's possible for your constituency to go back to a paler shade if a lot more people sign but not in your area.
To be the darkest red on the no deal map it means that only 0.45+% of those constituents signed and paler shades are even less than that.
To be the darkest red on the prorogue map 8.05% of the constituents have to have signed it.

On the revoke one back in March it was well over 10% needed for the darkest shade.

The less people who sign the darker the map will be because it takes less people to reach the upper threshold. So it looks like it's doing better ... it's not.