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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 12:03

Okay...£950. It's more the principle I'm trying to understand.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 12:03

Didn’t DC used to work for Gove? I wonder if Gove knows how he works and is biding his time to push him under the bus once enough of the dirty work is done.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 08/09/2019 12:04

Most landlords don't purchase property outright mojo. They need a mortgage themselves. You pay for that mortgage, instead of paying for your own. As for the repairs, they've really got to you haven't they. Most landlords don't bother with repairs.

So today's tenants buy the properties they rent - how does that help the next generation of people?

My last post on this, because I'm derailing enough already, and even more because the neverending excuses of 'not everyone wants to buy and cannot afford to make me beyond furious. Actually most do, because we're not stupid, can see how buying means not having to pay rent at some point and are sick of the way landlords make us live in substandard accommodation that they wouldn't keep their dog in.

The next generation benefits from parents who have bought because they may well have a guaranteed roof over their own heads, as a security when partnerships break down or against other housing troubles. It's also a guaranteed roof over their own heads if they choose to engage in the further study that is necessary nowadays to gain work that will pay the rent themselves, or in the intern game. They also benefit because parents will be able to stop paying rent themselves and be able to support their children financially or pragmatically - by helping with childcare for instance - instead. This is what actually happens in most cases. Because there will be an asset in the family that means actual wealth. Merely throwing money around in a rentier economy brings no wealth to anyone except for those who control the means of rent.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 08/09/2019 12:07

sos she can register now (you can over the age of 16) but obviously can't vote until she turns 18.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 12:10

Just expanding on the Gove theme
He gets DCummings to do the dirty work.
BJ gets the blame for eviscerating the Tory Party
Gove pushes DCummings and BJ under the bus and emerges as a white knight.

The80sweregreat · 08/09/2019 12:11

My in-laws and parents always rented.
They couldn't buy their council homes as both were refused a mortgage as the houses had structural damage , plus they were not on high enough wages at the time.

The people that did buy their council places in the 80s / 90s have done really well / lots moved away to ' get away from council areas' which always makes me smile! ( after making a fortune and getting a big discount) to more affluent areas etc.
Selling off council stock was a huge vote winner for the Tories in lots of ways but was very short sighted ( in my opinion)
Hasn't done lots of he generations much good.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 12:11

Robert Buckland QC MP @robertbuckland
Speculation about my future is wide of the mark. I fully support the Prime Minister and will continue to serve in his Cabinet. We have spoken over the past 24 hours regarding the importance of the Rule of Law, which I as Lord Chancellor have taken an oath to uphold.

Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 12:12

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude, that’s one of the most credible scenarios I’ve seen.

Violetparis · 08/09/2019 12:13

I'm starting to wonder if some of the EU countries are watching all of this shambles and thinking what is the point of giving us an extension. A general election could result in another hung parliament and there is still no agreed format for another referendum which could still produce a Leave win. I'm starting to wonder if it's better they don't offer an extension and Parliament then votes for the Kinnock WA amendment to prevent no deal.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 12:14

Robert Peston@peston
The Lord Chancellor Robert Buckland is staying put and will not resign unless and until @BorisJohnson breaks the law, I understand. Buckland has told the PM that honouring the rule of law is the defining issue for him. So the big moment for Buckland - and for...

the attorney general Cox and for half the cabinet - will come on 19 October, when Johnson will have to decide whether to honour the law by signing the pro-forma letter asking for a Brexit delay or break it by refusing to sign. For what it’s worth I am told Buckland asked the...

PM whether he intended to honour the Brexit delay law and Johnson replied “we are law makers not law breakers”. We’ll see

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 12:19

For what it’s worth I am told Buckland asked the... PM whether he intended to honour the Brexit delay law and Johnson replied “we are law makers not law breakers”.

Another elliptical answer.

If BJ tried that in court, the barrister would ask him nicely again: "Yes or no". And if he blathered again, the judge would ask directly.

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 12:21

When a picture is worth 1000 words ....

Westministenders: Is Boris  going to give us one ?
RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 12:23

Jack Doyle @jackwdoyle
Lots of speculation about Northern Ireland Secretary Julian Smith also resigning. I'm told he's not.

Source close to Mr Smith: 'He's not going to resign. He's entirely focused on representing the people of Northern Ireland at the Cabinet table.'

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 12:26

Meanwhile here is a picture of Theresa May (looking 10 years younger ?) pointing at a hole in the ground.

For those who like their symbolism ... straight.

Westministenders: Is Boris  going to give us one ?
RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 12:26

LBC breaking @lbcbreaking
France says it will refuse another delay to Brexit in current circumstances, according to the country's Foreign Minister.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 12:31

Most landlords don't bother with repairs.

I've had loads of landlords and they all did repairs...I'm up to about 11 landlords I think.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 12:31

Tory fibs @toryfibs
GE 2019 will be a change Election. The candidate perceived as the insurgency candidate will win. The anti-establishment candidate.

Hard to argue against this in many respects.

Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 12:33

I thought the “rebels” had already got Macron in their pockets?

OublietteBravo · 08/09/2019 12:35

I’m please that Theresa May seems to have recovered. She looked so ill and tired earlier in the year. Good to see her out and about as a constituency MP too - she doesn’t seem to have given up on politics and looks to be quietly getting on with the job. I respect her for that.

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 12:37

Meanwhile, looky here ....

Westministenders: Is Boris  going to give us one ?
Basilpots · 08/09/2019 12:41

So I reckon Tom Watson is going to join the LibDems as soon as the Benn Bill gets enacted

Didn’t you think he was going to get deselected anyway just ?

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 12:47

Didn’t DC used to work for Gove?

Yes first minister he worked for was IDS.

Or Voldemort as my MIL calls him.Wink

NoWordForFluffy · 08/09/2019 12:48

No, RTB, he can't do that. S1 of the Bill says that the agreement has to have been concluded with the EU, AND approved by Parliament. S3 says that if that hasn't happened, he needs to request an extension using the prescribed format.

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 12:48

DGR - is that on of the "bumps in the road" we will have after Brexit? Wink

I always wondered at Gove saying that knowing full well councils up and down the country can't afford road repairs due to austerity.

Sos - my friend does have a mortgage and lives miles away with one kid mid-Primary and the other doing GCSE's this year. They both work near their current flat and can't see many jobs near the house they inherited. They are using it as a pension and inheritance for their children but would like to move into it in 10 years or so.

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 12:50

I’m please that Theresa May seems to have recovered. She looked so ill and tired earlier in the year. Good to see her out and about as a constituency MP too - she doesn’t seem to have given up on politics and looks to be quietly getting on with the job. I respect her for that.

Before we all start campaigning for canonisation, let's ponder on how much of this mess is her making ? Everyone can mess up once (not on MN, of course) it's human, and can be accepted. But she made a 3 year career of taking spectacularly wrong decisions in a bid to save a few mainly middle aged white men and their wives social club called "the Tories" and fuck the rest of the country. Hostile environment. Grenfell. Windrush.

Sorry, I've run out of tears for "poor" Theresa May. And any fleeting pleasure I may get from her clearly trolling Boris, is vastly outweighed by ... well everything else.

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